New Details About Taylor's Murder

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I am still furious about the way the media ghettoized this generous decent person. It's a tragedy to his legacy that, now attention has moved on, most people will never learn about Sean's true character.

I really lost a lot of respect of Michael Wilbon. He should've come out and made some type of apology. But I guess he's gotten too big for that.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I really lost a lot of respect of Michael Wilbon. He should've come out and made some type of apology. But I guess he's gotten too big for that.

I don't care how big he thinks he is that was f**ked up to say anything like that honestly. How can.....I just gonna shut up I LOVE U SEAN R.I.P. BIG HOMIE!!!

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I really lost a lot of respect of Michael Wilbon. He should've come out and made some type of apology. But I guess he's gotten too big for that.

Yeah me too. The media is so obsessed with applying the Tupac narrative to any young black male who gets killed, and you expect that from dimly lit bulbs like that Cowherd idiot, but you expect Wilbon to be a bulwark against that, as he has been for the majority of his career. If he had not even apologized ｂｕｔ just said he was completely wrong about everything I would have been OK with that, but to my knowledge he hasn't even done that.

On the flipside, I didn'ｔ think it was possible for me to respect JB more than I already did but he was so on point with everything.

[oldhog44]

Bucha punk bitches! I hope they get ass raped every day.. and ten times a day during football season.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by oldhog44

Bucha punk bitches! I hope they get ass raped every day.. and ten times a day during football season.

Are comments like this really necessary? It would be nice if incidents such as this, and NIU and VT etc., could lead to some sort of elevated discussion but it seems to often to lead to a race to the bottom. I guess if that somehow makes you feel better, but it doesn't seem to add much at all and avoids any real engagement with any of the issues in play.

At least Wilbon raised a legitimate issue (read full here Wilbon: Dying young, and black, in America - NFL - MSNBC.com), and did it a little better than most (and I was pissed at him too, even wrote him a long email and wrote something to LaConfora too Guest Blog - Ehren - Redskins Insider) but apart from some of his hyperbole ("I wasn't surprised...") at least he had a point to make and suggested a larger context was necessary to understand this tragedy. I think that if you actually take some time to contemplate what he was saying, in light of the little bit of perspective we now have, it was not totally absurd.

The reflexive response seen in the immediate aftermath of the crime from blowhards like Cowherd et al. (and even Wilbon) was off the mark in that they ignored everything we knew (or had a sense of and learned more about) about Sean Taylor (the blog from JLC on his conversation with Renaldo Wynn comes to mind Renaldo Wynn And Sean - Redskins Insider). But what you have to appreciate, and what is perhaps more tragic, is that the last part of Wilbon's column does seem to ring true.

Originally Posted by Wilbon

The issue of separating yourself from a harmful environment is a recurring theme in the life of black men. It has nothing to do with football, or Sean Taylor or even sports. To frame it as a sports issue is as insulting as it is naive. Most of us, perhaps even the great majority of us who grew up in big urban communities, have to make a decision at some point to hang out or get out.

The kid who becomes a pharmaceutical rep has the same call to make as the lawyer or delivery guy or accountant or sportswriter or football player: Cut off anybody who might do harm, even those who have been friends from the sandbox, or go along to get along.

IF what we have heard is true, then the people who meant to rob Sean Taylor and who murdered Sean Taylor, were linked to him through his sister and one had been to the house to attend a party for a boyfriend of hers. So it wasn't a 'gang hit' or someone getting retribution for some ATVs, but there was a connection. That places, perhaps, in even deeper relief what Wilbon was saying. Because how hard is it to leave not only boyhood friends but to distance yourself from your own family? Certainly it says that as a professional athlete, or anyone else of means, you have to tread extremely lightly and be guarded in those you let near you. I'm not blaming the victim here, but it is also a bit too easy to just say 'Wilbon is an idiot I hate him' and 'I hope those punk bitches get raped in jail' (seriously?) then to actually think about the complexities of lived experience.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Are comments like this really necessary? It would be nice if incidents such as this, and NIU and VT etc., could lead to some sort of elevated discussion but it seems to often to lead to a race to the bottom. I guess if that somehow makes you feel better, but it doesn't seem to add much at all and avoids any real engagement with any of the issues in play.

At least Wilbon raised a legitimate issue (read full here Wilbon: Dying young, and black, in America - NFL - MSNBC.com), and did it a little better than most (and I was pissed at him too, even wrote him a long email and wrote something to LaConfora too Guest Blog - Ehren - Redskins Insider) but apart from some of his hyperbole ("I wasn't surprised...") at least he had a point to make and suggested a larger context was necessary to understand this tragedy. I think that if you actually take some time to contemplate what he was saying, in light of the little bit of perspective we now have, it was not totally absurd.

The reflexive response seen in the immediate aftermath of the crime from blowhards like Cowherd et al. (and even Wilbon) was off the mark in that they ignored everything we knew (or had a sense of and learned more about) about Sean Taylor (the blog from JLC on his conversation with Renaldo Wynn comes to mind Renaldo Wynn And Sean - Redskins Insider). But what you have to appreciate, and what is perhaps more tragic, is that the last part of Wilbon's column does seem to ring true.



IF what we have heard is true, then the people who meant to rob Sean Taylor and who murdered Sean Taylor, were linked to him through his sister and one had been to the house to attend a party for a boyfriend of hers. So it wasn't a 'gang hit' or someone getting retribution for some ATVs, but there was a connection. That places, perhaps, in even deeper relief what Wilbon was saying. Because how hard is it to leave not only boyhood friends but to distance yourself from your own family? Certainly it says that as a professional athlete, or anyone else of means, you have to tread extremely lightly and be guarded in those you let near you. I'm not blaming the victim here, but it is also a bit too easy to just say 'Wilbon is an idiot I hate him' and 'I hope those punk bitches get raped in jail' (seriously?) then to actually think about the complexities of lived experience.

Great post. However, I think it will fall on many deaf ears simply because it's just an emotional topic still for so many of us.

[oldhog44]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Are comments like this really necessary? It would be nice if incidents such as this, and NIU and VT etc., could lead to some sort of elevated discussion but it seems to often to lead to a race to the bottom. I guess if that somehow makes you feel better, but it doesn't seem to add much at all and avoids any real engagement with any of the issues in play.

At least Wilbon raised a legitimate issue (read full here Wilbon: Dying young, and black, in America - NFL - MSNBC.com), and did it a little better than most (and I was pissed at him too, even wrote him a long email and wrote something to LaConfora too Guest Blog - Ehren - Redskins Insider) but apart from some of his hyperbole ("I wasn't surprised...") at least he had a point to make and suggested a larger context was necessary to understand this tragedy. I think that if you actually take some time to contemplate what he was saying, in light of the little bit of perspective we now have, it was not totally absurd.

The reflexive response seen in the immediate aftermath of the crime from blowhards like Cowherd et al. (and even Wilbon) was off the mark in that they ignored everything we knew (or had a sense of and learned more about) about Sean Taylor (the blog from JLC on his conversation with Renaldo Wynn comes to mind Renaldo Wynn And Sean - Redskins Insider). But what you have to appreciate, and what is perhaps more tragic, is that the last part of Wilbon's column does seem to ring true.



IF what we have heard is true, then the people who meant to rob Sean Taylor and who murdered Sean Taylor, were linked to him through his sister and one had been to the house to attend a party for a boyfriend of hers. So it wasn't a 'gang hit' or someone getting retribution for some ATVs, but there was a connection. That places, perhaps, in even deeper relief what Wilbon was saying. Because how hard is it to leave not only boyhood friends but to distance yourself from your own family? Certainly it says that as a professional athlete, or anyone else of means, you have to tread extremely lightly and be guarded in those you let near you. I'm not blaming the victim here, but it is also a bit too easy to just say 'Wilbon is an idiot I hate him' and 'I hope those punk bitches get raped in jail' (seriously?) then to actually think about the complexities of lived experience.

"It would be nice if incidents such as this, and NIU and VT etc., could lead to some sort of elevated discussion" ............ Are u shittin me, thats what you want out of those incidents is an elevated discussion.. Man ura over educated DA.....It doesnt matter where he was from who his friends were or what color he was or his background ... Piss on those MFR's ! And anybody else who commits crimes of that nature or against children etc. You need to pull that diploma out of your ass, quit talking fancy and come down from the cloud.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by oldhog44

"It would be nice if incidents such as this, and NIU and VT etc., could lead to some sort of elevated discussion" ............ Are u shittin me, thats what you want out of those incidents is an elevated discussion.. Man ura over educated DA.....It doesnt matter where he was from who his friends were or what color he was or his background ... Piss on those MFR's ! And anybody else who commits crimes of that nature or against children etc. You need to pull that diploma out of your ass, quit talking fancy and come down from the cloud.

Well said!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by oldhog44

"It would be nice if incidents such as this, and NIU and VT etc., could lead to some sort of elevated discussion" ............ Are u shittin me, thats what you want out of those incidents is an elevated discussion.. Man ura over educated DA.....It doesnt matter where he was from who his friends were or what color he was or his background ... Piss on those MFR's ! And anybody else who commits crimes of that nature or against children etc. You need to pull that diploma out of your ass, quit talking fancy and come down from the cloud.

When you went over this post in your head before you put in the effort to type it, I'm find it hard to believe that some part of you wasn't saying "wait a minute, maybe I don't want to sound like a total moron in a public forum".

Tell that conscience to take a hike!

[oldhog44]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

When you went over this post in your head before you put in the effort to type it, I'm find it hard to believe that some part of you wasn't saying "wait a minute, maybe I don't want to sound like a total moron in a public forum".

Tell that conscience to take a hike!

Sorry princess but that's just way i feel about things. I don't really giva a sheet how i sound in a public forum. Turd sack.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Yeah me too. The media is so obsessed with applying the Tupac narrative to any young black male who gets killed, and you expect that from dimly lit bulbs like that Cowherd idiot, but you expect Wilbon to be a bulwark against that, as he has been for the majority of his career. If he had not even apologized ｂｕｔ just said he was completely wrong about everything I would have been OK with that, but to my knowledge he hasn't even done that.

On the flipside, I didn'ｔ think it was possible for me to respect JB more than I already did but he was so on point with everything.

I did hear JB's commentary on it. JB's a total 100% class act.