Gameday Thread Jets- Skins

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

For the preseason, yes.

Okay, so you misspoke. You said that "he played his 1st 2 games the way he should be playing all his games (especially the preseason ones)." I suppose you meant "he played his 1st 2 games the way he should be playing in the preseason."

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Okay, so you misspoke. You said that "he played his 1st 2 games the way he should be playing all his games (especially the preseason ones)." I suppose you meant "he played his 1st 2 games the way he should be playing in the preseason."

Yes because its only a few series. I dont think there should be a whole lot of drop off in the regular season but since he is playing longer I would expect the stats to drop proportionally.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

Yes because its only a few series. I dont think there should be a whole lot of drop off in the regular season but since he is playing longer I would expect the stats to drop proportionally.

What does the number of series have to do with it? I've never heard of anyone ever claiming that QBs tend to play really well in their first few series and then play poorly by the 2nd Q. Nor do I think there is ANY reason why QBs have some competitive advantage in preseason play versus the regular season.

Bottom line, what kind of stats would it take to make you think JC is THE guy?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

What does the number of series have to do with it? I've never heard of anyone ever claiming that QBs tend to play really well in their first few series and then play poorly by the 2nd Q. Nor do I think there is ANY reason why QBs have some competitive advantage in preseason play versus the regular season.

Bottom line, what kind of stats would it take to make you think JC is THE guy?

I think a smaller sample size can skew the results for good or bad.


To be honest I really dont even look at the stats because they can be misleading. When I watch JC I see a QB that is a slow decision maker that takes too long to get the ball out which results in stalled drives. Maybe he will improve this season, time will tell.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

I think a smaller sample size can skew the results for good or bad.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by irish

So if a QB has no competitive advantage in the preseason than Colt is really playing well and should be challenging JC for the starting job since he looked good Sat?

Nope. Colt's going up against 3rd and 4th stringers, whereas JC is playing against the starters.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Agreed.



Nope. Colt's going up against 3rd and 4th stringers, whereas JC is playing against the starters.

Right, Colt has a competitive advantage over JC.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

Right, Colt has a competitive advantage over JC.

Yes, but that doesn't contradict anything I said elsewhere in the thread.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I think a smaller sample size can skew the results for good or bad.


To be honest I really dont even look at the stats because they can be misleading. When I watch JC I see a QB that is a slow decision maker that takes too long to get the ball out which results in stalled drives. Maybe he will improve this season, time will tell.

Against the Jets yes his decision making was slow. I'd chalk that up to him seeing the 3-4 for the first time in a while and because of no game planning/special preperation for that D.

In the previous 2 games however I thought he was very good at getting the ball out quickly.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Three things I concluded from the Skins/Jets game over the weekend:


1. Kellen Clemens is a lot further away from being a mediocre starting QB than I had thought before.

2. Vernon Gholston cannot play OLB in the NFL. He can rush the passer but that's it. He does not play the run well and he can't cover a corpse. Taking him sixth and paying him $20M guaranteed will be a huge mistake if they don't move him to ILB or beef him up and make him a DE.

3. The Jets must have wanted to play OT to have a better look at players or plays. Why else would they try that late field goal in an exhibition game?


Oh, by the way, barring injuries the only time you will see Colt Brennan under center for the Skins in 2008 is if there is another game like the Pats game last year where the score is 52-7 in the 4th quarter. Wouldn't matter which team was ahead at that point but that's when you'll be seeing Brennan this year.

[jgalecpa]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Bottom line, what kind of stats would it take to make you think JC is THE guy?

For me, It would be a QB rating of 85+ for this year, and 95+ next year.

Pre-season doesn't count.

J-Dawg.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

For me, It would be a QB rating of 85+ for this year, and 95+ next year.

Your expectations for 2008 might be a tad bit too high. Neither Phillip Rivers nor Derek Anderson had a QB rating of 85+ in 2007. I'd be fine with anything in the 80s. A QB rating in the 80s for someone with about 2 seasons worth of starting experience (which is how much experience JC will have at the end of this season) is decent.

Your expectations for 2009 are astronomical. Only 6 QBs had a QB rating of 95+ in 2007. I'm not prepared to say, "If JC isn't a top 5 QB in 2009, I say we junk him." To say otherwise would mean that you believe that guys like Matt Hasselbeck, Donovan McNabb, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub, and Jeff Garcia (none of whom had a rating of 95+ in 2007) don't make the cut.

[jgalecpa]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Your expectations for 2008 might be a tad bit too high. Neither Phillip Rivers nor Derek Anderson had a QB rating of 85+ in 2007. I'd be fine with anything in the 80s. A QB rating in the 80s for someone with about 2 seasons worth of starting experience (which is how much experience JC will have at the end of this season) is decent.

Your expectations for 2009 are astronomical. Only 6 QBs had a QB rating of 95+ in 2007. I'm not prepared to say, "If JC isn't a top 5 QB in 2009, I say we junk him." To say otherwise would mean that you believe that guys like Matt Hasselbeck, Donovan McNabb, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub, and Jeff Garcia (none of whom had a rating of 95+ in 2007) don't make the cut.

Fair enough.

My point is, that he had virtually unchanged qb ratings for the partial 2006 year, and the longer 2007 season.

He needs to improve, and improve with each of the next two years.

The whole idea of a learning curve is that as with experience, one gets better, increasing productivity.

That's what I'm looking for in any player early in his career, but espcially the QB.

J-Dawg.