Cerrato Vaguely Explains Draft Strategy (with Questionable Evidence)

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

I'm saying he is an idiot because he says "we don't draft based on need"

Then justifies his stupidity with made up stats.

Isn't it friggin awesome that Jason Taylor - $8M a year and a 2nd round pick - has comparable stats to the two DE's that Vinny tries to dog with his made up stats??

[firstdown]

People are reading this wrong. He wanted to draft a O Line but the ones we thought worth drafting were gone. So we did not draft an O Lineman just for need and that what he was saying. He has made his mistakes but what he said made sense but his delievery was not the best.

[Defensewins]

Vinny Cerratto reminds of George W. Bush. Nobody really loves the guy. We all tolerate him because he is in power. I wonder if he can dodge a shoe like W?

[44ever]

so in other words if we need a lineman but the best available player in the draft is a punter we now have another punter but still lack lineman. Then we trade our draft position for a over the hill lineman. Ummmmm OK I get it now.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

People are reading this wrong. He wanted to draft a O Line but the ones we thought worth drafting were gone. So we did not draft an O Lineman just for need and that what he was saying. He has made his mistakes but what he said made sense but his delievery was not the best.

I'm no VC fan, but i was thinking the same thing. He's drafting on a combination of best overall and need. There was x amount of lineman he would have taken w/ the 21st pick. They were gone and he felt like the DE's at that level were not worth it. So we traded down. In the 2nd round, he felt like the WR's on the board served talent and a need. So, i see what's he doing.

I guess he felt no other lineman was worth one 2nd and he could get his guy (Rhinehart in the 3rd).

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by firstdown

People are reading this wrong. He wanted to draft a O Line but the ones we thought worth drafting were gone. So we did not draft an O Lineman just for need and that what he was saying. He has made his mistakes but what he said made sense but his delievery was not the best.

I agree, in fact he made this point right after the draft. does anyone think Jerod Mayo would've been a bad pick at #21? Vinny said that's who they hoped would fall to them, but he was gone.

I won't say Vinny is the man, but I will at least take up for him in that it looks like Snyder was part of the wr/te picks, since he's always coveted those playmakers. Vinny has only had one draft as the guy. Prior to that it was a 3 headed monster. I am not in any way ready to declare the 08 draft a bust. How many people on here have said that wr's typically don't produce much till year 3? Well, we have to be patient. I'm not saying our 2nd round picks don't deserve criticism, they deserve a lot of it. But that's part of the maturation process & each player goes through it differently.

Maybe Vinny has a plan; draft the skill players in 08, let them develop, then draft o & d line in 09 & 10. By then these players will have developed (w/some being busts too), most 30+ vets will have been replaced & JC will be in his prime.

[SBXVII]

Vinny's an idiot period. Hey ever look at him on TV and think he looks like a Pug?

If you have a good team and for the most part are happy with everyone, and know you have some small holes (namely the lines) then I would suggest picking based on need. Our lines are getting old. They wear out prior to seasons end every year. We need new blood, young blood. So again if you claiming this team is set and don't need anything then yes pick your players based on best player available. Mold him. Train him. and he will become a super star. but when you have issues at certain areas as we did there is no need for a TE. There is no need for a Punter. Our kickers were not the best but got the job done. I truely believe our problems right now has to do with who is holding the ball for the kicker. He was not this bad in the past and the only thing changed is the holder...by Zorn. Our punter is no better or worse then who we had before. We truely should have picked a few linemen somewhere in that draft. If nothing else to get some younger blood to train for when our 30 something linemen call it quits.

I love the whole 8 mil and two picks for Taylor and produced the same as rookies. I guess that means we can look forward to a productive season next year cause thats what rookies do. I guess If you can't dazzle them with your brilliant mind Vinny you have do find a way to baffle them with BS. We all know as a business man you should be able to sell a pile of horse crap and if you can't sell last years draft to us then you might as well find a new job. Oh, and whats with Michael's? "yep", "Uh-huh", "yep", "right". I'm sure he's thinking ....."If I want to keep my job I should just....Smile and wave." I'm so glad Michael knows his facts also to just quickly agree.

Hey Michael's get some balls and slap the pug.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 44ever

so in other words if we need a lineman but the best available player in the draft is a punter we now have another punter but still lack lineman. Then we trade that punter for a over the hill lineman that is no better than the available lineman in the draft. Ummmmm OK I get it.

No apparently you don't. So let me help you. We need lineman so we draft a Punter cause he's the best available player(how I don't know cause he wouldn't be a punter then). We then throw away what.....3 draft picks for over the hill lineman. Then after week 2 or 3 cut said Punter. Where you went wrong was we don't trade said Punter.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He (Vinny) is one dumb dude who would never have a job in the NFL if it wasn't for Snyder. You see when Marty fired him no came knocking on his door. But with that being said, I think he deserves two more years of running things by himself.

You say Vinnie is so stupid that nobody else in the NFL would hire him and then you conclude that he deserves two more years at the helm. Huh? I don't begin to understand your reasoning.

If he's too stupid to hold the position anywhere else, shouldn't your conclusion have been that he should be taken out of the job?

[Defensewins]

I think I figured why Snyder will never fire Cerratto. Snyder hired Cerratto because Cerratto is a yes man. Cerratto also the only person that would allow this two headed monster/GM situation, affectionately called "Snyderatto" to exist where Cerratto and Snyder share in the GM responsibilities, which is what Snyder wants. Snyder loves to have his hand deep inside the player personnel body cavity. Even though Snyder has no a football background.

So if Snyder fired Cerratto that would mean Snyder not only is admitting that he is unhappy with Cerratto's job performance, but would also be admitting that his own GM performance sucks. Snyders ego would not allow it. So he will keep blaming and firing everyone else but Cerratto.

Hypothetically, if Bill Cowher agreed to be the next Redskins Head Coach, but his only stipulation is we get another GM and Snyder get out of the GM draft room. Do think Snyder would do it?
That would be awesome! It wouls be tough for Snyder to give up that what he loves.

[Hog1]

Vinnie is generally thought of as an average personel man. Perhaps this draft will take him over the top? Time will tell

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by firstdown

People are reading this wrong. He wanted to draft a O Line but the ones we thought worth drafting were gone. So we did not draft an O Lineman just for need and that what he was saying. He has made his mistakes but what he said made sense but his delievery was not the best.

You are probably right.... good point. But still, you can't justifiy NEVER drafting OL or DL before the 3rd round in almost 10 drafts. Its beyond stupid.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Vinnie is generally thought of as an average personel man. Perhaps this draft will take him over the top? Time will tell

Time is not on our side. We have one of the oldest teams in the NFL and fading fast. If the Vinnie experiment fails in a year or two, we will be even more behind the other teams. We do not have the luxury of time to see if Vinnie will be great. I am surprised Snyder being the type if business he is, "get the best money can buy", accepts having a mediocre GM like Vinnie. Vinnie must have something on Danny.

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

At least he is good at drafting safeties.
Taylor
Landry
Horton
Doughty

no real busts there... or could that be coaching????

Co-Sign.
No thats good drafting.
Weve have had some luck with safeties (..well...comming OUT the draft at least)

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

You are probably right.... good point. But still, you can't justifiy NEVER drafting OL or DL before the 3rd round in almost 10 drafts. Its beyond stupid.

Maybe its the coaches telling Vinny who or what we need. I remember very well an interview with Bugel right at the begining of training camp how our O Line was firing off the ball and blowing up the D Line. He was not just saying this but was really excited and thought our O Line would be great this year. How do we know that he is not sitting there telling Vin that he was fine with who he had or maybe look latter in the draft for the O Line. I don't know myself but there is a good chance that was the case and I would think that all the coaches get together to talk about how we will approach the draft with Vin.