Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Sorry to make a remark about your post twice, hopefully you will see this as a chance for conversation and healthy debate, and not an attack. I assure you I am looking for healthy debate.

Why would you rank Blyleven ahead of Clemens? If you used the steroids argument, you will get absolutely no argument from me, but you didn't mention it in your comments.
Bert was only a 2 time all star, and never did better than 3rd place for cy votes. In fact, he only ranked in the top 10 4 times. (73, 84, 85, 89)
Clemens (20 game winner 6 times) won a Cy 7 times! 10 times he ranked 3rd or better in Cy votes, and 12 times in the top ten. He actually won an MVP and ranked in the top 10 in MVP votes 6 times! (none for Bert) He went to the all star game 11 times. Won the era title 7 times. (none for Bert) 5 time strike out champ. (1 time for Bert)
I am just not sure where you are getting your opinion from on this one.

I think your assumption is that I'm supposed to value popularity voting contests over statistics/what a guy has actually done, but you know me better than that.

I also think you're too wrapped up in this Blyleven 4 vs. Clemens 8 thing. I ranked Blyleven above Clemens because he was more deserving. I would vote for him for the HoF before Clemens, if I had a vote. If you are asking me flat out: whos better, Clemens or Blyleven, Clemens has the numbers. I didn't envoke the steroid argument because it's only relevant if you are looking at career totals and comparing out of context, which you weren't doing.

As for the Cone's, Smoltz', and Kevin Brown, well, Bert was a little bit better. Not that they weren't great players. It doesn't make much sense to say Bert shouldn't be in the hall of fame, as he clearly should, but I wanted to get Clemens in my top ten because he was too good not to put there. I just don't think he's top five good.