Where are Kelly & Thomas?

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)

For all his height, Kelly really struggles with those fade or lob patterns. They should be throwing more passes over the middle to him. Catch, turn, and run.

Davis missed a block too (badly). And I'm not sure how Yoder is supossed to block two people. That end guy is usually unaccounted for. It was just a good play be Ronde.

In terms of Kelly and Thomas, we've been playing from behind in every game and the tendency there is to get the ball to the people you trust (by both the HC and the QB). Kelly and Campbell don't seem to quite be in synch (this is essentially his rookie season) and Thomas hasn't been in that much as far as I can tell.

I was actually encouraged by yesterday. 16 points in two quarters is about as productive as they've been under Zorn. Jason needs to forget about his rating and being perfect and cautious and let the ball fly. Great QBs throw picks from time to time (Favre?) because you have to take risks. The margins are too close at the NFL level to have guys wide wide wide open all the time.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)

For all his height, Kelly really struggles with those fade or lob patterns. They should be throwing more passes over the middle to him. Catch, turn, and run.

Agreed. On all points.

Kelly is a player, but it hurts him that we're trying to use him as a deep threat that he just doesn't really have a skill set for. If Marko Mitchell can get down the field, our offense is probably fine in the long term. But Santana Moss STILL plays a role in the offense that can't be replaced. And with the way he started this season, it was troublesome. But Santana's here this year and next, and then who knows. Will we still have a deep threat? Depends.

[redsk1]

For the life of me I can't figure out who's fault it is. It's easy to say it's Kelly, Thomas, and Davis. It could be JC, coaching, or the FO. Damn, i don't know. What I do know is that our 2nd rounders from last year haven't pruduced squat.

Conversely, the NY Giants young WR's seem to be just doing fine. There are alot of reasons for that but just making a comparison.

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[44Deezel]

The entire Offense sucks. The Skins are 27th in the League in points scored, 2 points ahead of the Bucs and only 7 points ahead of the friggin Browns. Do we look at those teams and think they'd be Offensive juggernauts if only one of their wide receivers would step up? We have bad coaching, a bad O line, a QB who probably won't be starting for anyone next year (just like when Brunell left), a single RB who is worn down, a pretty good receiver in Moss and one of the better Tight Ends in the league.

AND the Skins have only played 1 legit Defense. What the hell are they going to look like when they stop playing the other contenders for worst team in the league?

Blame Kelly, DT and Davis all you want, but there aren't many (if any) WRs that would excel on this team. If DeSean Jackson played for the Skins, he would be crap. And if Kelly played for the Eagles, he would be much better than he is here. The O blows, bottom line.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Blame Kelly, DT and Davis all you want, but there aren't many (if any) WRs that would excel on this team. If DeSean Jackson played for the Skins, he would be crap. And if Kelly played for the Eagles, he would be much better than he is here. The O blows, bottom line.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

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[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

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Some things aren't worth wasting words.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

The entire Offense sucks. The Skins are 27th in the League in points scored, 2 points ahead of the Bucs and only 7 points ahead of the friggin Browns. Do we look at those teams and think they'd be Offensive juggernauts if only one of their wide receivers would step up? We have bad coaching, a bad O line, a QB who probably won't be starting for anyone next year (just like when Brunell left), a single RB who is worn down, a pretty good receiver in Moss and one of the better Tight Ends in the league.

AND the Skins have only played 1 legit Defense. What the hell are they going to look like when they stop playing the other contenders for worst team in the league?

Blame Kelly, DT and Davis all you want, but there aren't many (if any) WRs that would excel on this team. If DeSean Jackson played for the Skins, he would be crap. And if Kelly played for the Eagles, he would be much better than he is here. The O blows, bottom line.

Its tough to argue any of these points. The offense sucks period. Its not just JC, recievers, line, etc....its everybody. In my opinion the head idiot Zorn should get much of the blame along with the rest of the offensive staff, players should shoulder the rest and dont forget about the biggest loser in the organization, Vinny/Danny Boy who organize this roster and then trap the franchise with horrible contracts. To be shut out the first two halfs of the last couple games, against the worst teams in the league is absolute crap. NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!

[KLHJ2]

After all of the recievers that have come through Washington in the past few years and done absolutely nothing I refuse to believe that all the blame should be pinned on the younger WR's. There is something else going on, I am not quite sure what it is. I would put money on Marko failing in the number 2 spot as well.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Angry

After all of the recievers that have come through Washington in the past few years and done absolutely nothing I refuse to believe that all the blame should be pinned on the younger WR's. There is something else going on, I am not quite sure what it is. I would put money on Marko failing in the number 2 spot as well.

Yeah its called bad evaluations by our FO. We knew what the rap was on Thomas and Kelly before they got here.

Kelly was slow

Thomas was not that experienced.

This analysis is proving true and rearing its ugly head.

But what makes you think Marko would fail. He has nothing to lose. He is the hungriest out the bunch. I heard him say in a interview that he iwill not be content at jsut making the team. He wants to move up the depth chart. I like that!! Shows heart and determination and swagger and he was the recevier that gained the most respect this offseason. Ask Carlos Rogers..ask D Hall. ask CP!! These are players not fans like us. They saw him on the field everyday. He attacked not just went through the motions. But all in all we will never know unless Zorn gives him a chance. I hope he does in the next few weeks.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Yeah its called bad evaluations by our FO. We knew what the rap was on Thomas and Kelly before they got here.

Kelly was slow

Thomas was not that experienced.

This analysis is proving true and rearing its ugly head.

But what makes you think Marko would fail. He has nothing to lose. He is the hungriest out the bunch. I heard him say in a interview that he iwill not be content at jsut making the team. He wants to move up the depth chart. I like that!! Shows heart and determination and swagger and he was the recevier that gained the most respect this offseason. Ask Carlos Rogers..ask D Hall. ask CP!! These are players not fans like us. They saw him on the field everyday. He attacked not just went through the motions. But all in all we will never know unless Zorn gives him a chance. I hope he does in the next few weeks.

Everybody in his position says that, if he was that good he would have been on the field a few times already. I am not so sure that those comments from Portis weren't made in jest to poke fun at Carlos Rogers. If he (Mitchell) is really that good he will get a shot sooner or later. Based on everything else that I have seen though, I do not believe that he would fair better than Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Angry

Everybody in his position says that, if he was that good he would have been on the field a few times already. I am not so sure that those comments from Portis weren't made in jest to poke fun at Carlos Rogers. If he (Mitchell) is really that good he will get a shot sooner or later. Based on everything else that I have seen though, I do not believe that he would fair better than Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas.

They say its more of less him learning the plays. Not talent. He was more of a deep threat at Nevada. Saying that why can't we use him in certain situations liek endzone or being a deep threat?

Also some one is saying that we are expecting them to be 1,000 yard receivers. I dont think that is the case. We just want them to make "some" plays. Right now they are making none. Kelly will improve when he learns to use his size to shield/post up defenders and make himself a more viable and safe target.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

They say its more of less him learning the plays. Not talent. He was more of a deep threat at Nevada. Saying that why can't we use him in certain situations liek endzone or being a deep threat?

Also some one is saying that we are expecting them to be 1,000 yard receivers. I dont think that is the case. We just want them to make "some" plays. Right now they are making none. Kelly will improve when he learns to use his size to shield/post up defenders and make himself a more viable and safe target.

To learn implies someone is teaching him. It may be hopeless.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Angry

After all of the recievers that have come through Washington in the past few years and done absolutely nothing I refuse to believe that all the blame should be pinned on the younger WR's. There is something else going on, I am not quite sure what it is. I would put money on Marko failing in the number 2 spot as well.

Not just receivers. It's hard to tell if the current regime has any ability to develop talent. 11 draft picks last year and no one but Horton could get on the field as a rookie, and even that didn't happen until Doughty went down with injury.

MK, DT and FD could all be bums, but who knows. They're essentially 3 games into their rookie season playing for an Offense that struggles mightily being coached by an unproven and heavily scrutinized staff that may not be here next year.

[hooskins]

So are Kelly and Thomas are one singular being?

(Yeah I am ass correcting grammar)