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Old 05-11-2010, 01:42 PM   #1
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All Haynesworth has said is that he'd prefer to play DE in the 3-4, because he feels that he'd be more useful and effective. However, he has also said that he'd play whatever the coaches tell him to play.
and george bush said there were WMDs in iraq. only fools beleive everything public figures say at face value. the vast majority of people will lie if its to their strategic advantage, especially when the stakes are high. haynesworth would be saying exactly what he's saying whether he wants to play in the 3-4 or whether he wants out of town.
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and george bush said there were WMDs in iraq. only fools beleive everything public figures say at face value. the vast majority of people will lie if its to their strategic advantage, especially when the stakes are high. haynesworth would be saying exactly what he's saying whether he wants to play in the 3-4 or whether he wants out of town.
One should also not get too carried away with hearsay and rumors. A lot of assuming is going on when it comes to the AH situation.
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One should also not get too carried away with hearsay and rumors. A lot of assuming is going on when it comes to the AH situation.
i dont think the hearsay and rumors are any more trustworthy inofthemselves than the official public statements by the redskins or haynesworth. i just feel like haynesworth's public statements don't fit the bigger picture as well. as i keep saying, actions speak louder than words. in the end, we won't know for sure until everything is said and done. if haynesworth is traded or becomes a problem on- or off- the field for the team this year, we'll have our definative answer. if he shows up for mandatory activities and dominates during the regular season when it matters, then that will be our answer too. but if that happens, i'll allow you all to pick a humiliating avatar/sig/ID and assign it to me indefinately.
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i dont think the hearsay and rumors are any more trustworthy inofthemselves than the official public statements by the redskins or haynesworth. i just feel like haynesworth's public statements don't fit the bigger picture as well. as i keep saying, actions speak louder than words. in the end, we won't know for sure until everything is said and done. if haynesworth is traded or becomes a problem on- or off- the field for the team this year, we'll have our definative answer. if he shows up for mandatory activities and dominates during the regular season when it matters, then that will be our answer too. but if that happens, i'll allow you all to pick a humiliating avatar/sig/ID and assign it to me indefinately.
So why do you seem to be siding more with the rumors?

The truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.
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So why do you seem to be siding more with the rumors?

The truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.
as ive said, the rumors tend to fit more accurately in the bigger picture. however, i do beleive that some of the rumors may be exaggerated or blown out of proportion as information is diluted from one person to the next before it finally gets reported. however, for me, the bottom line is that actions speak louder than words. if haynesworth really wanted to be the best player he could be, he'd be attending mini-camp, even if he worked out on his own. whether haynesworth is actively trying to force a trade or not, his absence from minicamp, without any other plausible explanation, can only be seen as a means of his expressing displeasure with the coaching staff. there is definitely a rift between coaches and haynesworth and, at this point, he doesnt seem interested in fixing it.
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So why do you seem to be siding more with the rumors?

The truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.
In legal terms called, assuming facts not in evidence.
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So why do you seem to be siding more with the rumors?

The truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.
Well, the truth is probably what Philip Daniels is saying in this article by Mike Wise, which is a great read IMO.

washingtonpost.com

I know you (and others here) have maintained that all these activities so far have been voluntary so it's really not a big deal, but literally everyone else on the roster is present except the team's highest paid player.

He makes more money than anyone on the team, yet he insists on being a perpetual malcontent with a shit work ethic and is content to just do the bare minimum as far as what the team requires from him. How many truly successful people in this world do you know that just do the bare minimum day in and day out? I don't know any. Sure he's got a contract fatter than his belly, but he could be SO MUCH MORE.

He sat out of practice repeatedly last season because he hates the D-line coach, and says it's for things like "my ankle is sore." All the while Daniels is out there at age 36 practicing with a torn biceps. Anyone who thinks Haynesworth is anything but a fat, lazy, entitled, me-first primadonna is living in la-la land.

And yet, despite no work ethic and not really caring about the team as a whole, he can still dominate when he's in the game. Imagine if he truly gave a damn? It's a shame really. I can't stand the dude.

I'll finish this post with a great quote from PD: "It says this is voluntary, but for us, what we went through last season after a 4-12 season, it's mandatory," Daniels said. "He should definitely be here. And it's a shame he's not."
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Well, the truth is probably what Philip Daniels is saying in this article by Mike Wise, which is a great read IMO.

washingtonpost.com

I know you (and others here) have maintained that all these activities so far have been voluntary so it's really not a big deal, but literally everyone else on the roster is present except the team's highest paid player.

He makes more money than anyone on the team, yet he insists on being a perpetual malcontent with a shit work ethic and is content to just do the bare minimum as far as what the team requires from him. How many truly successful people in this world do you know that just do the bare minimum day in and day out? I don't know any. Sure he's got a contract fatter than his belly, but he could be SO MUCH MORE.

He sat out of practice repeatedly last season because he hates the D-line coach, and says it's for things like "my ankle is sore." All the while Daniels is out there at age 36 practicing with a torn biceps. Anyone who thinks Haynesworth is anything but a fat, lazy, entitled, me-first primadonna is living in la-la land.

And yet, despite no work ethic and not really caring about the team as a whole, he can still dominate when he's in the game. Imagine if he truly gave a damn? It's a shame really. I can't stand the dude.

I'll finish this post with a great quote from PD: "It says this is voluntary, but for us, what we went through last season after a 4-12 season, it's mandatory," Daniels said. "He should definitely be here. And it's a shame he's not."
Phil is one of my fave players.. and granted it was the year after a playoff season (after 2007) but let's not forget that Phil skipped offseason workouts to compete in powerlifting only 2 years ago.. barely playoff season, driven by the aftermath of ST's death, lead by Todd Collins
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Phil is one of my fave players.. and granted it was the year after a playoff season (after 2007) but let's not forget that Phil skipped offseason workouts to compete in powerlifting only 2 years ago.. barely playoff season, driven by the aftermath of ST's death, lead by Todd Collins
Well, after re-reading my post, I did make it quite a bit about PD, whereas I really wanted the focus to be on AH's lack of focus. Anyway, regardless of PD, the facts remain about Ain'tworth.
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and george bush said there were WMDs in iraq. only fools beleive everything public figures say at face value. the vast majority of people will lie if its to their strategic advantage, especially when the stakes are high. haynesworth would be saying exactly what he's saying whether he wants to play in the 3-4 or whether he wants out of town.
Both sides are unreliable period. I just tend to stick with has been said by Haynesworth and Shanahan regarding this situation, unless something else comes out from either of these two sources. In the end, Mike Florio and Jason LaCanfora and anybody else out there that you are following word by word are just secondary sources.

Unless Haynesworth comes out and says that he wants to be traded or Shanahan says that they want to trade Haynesworth, all you are doing is speculating just like these other guys. While I don't agree with Haynesworth's actions, unlike you, I don't think this is all a big deal.
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Both sides are unreliable period. I just tend to stick with has been said by Haynesworth and Shanahan regarding this situation, unless something else comes out from either of these two sources. In the end, Mike Florio and Jason LaCanfora and anybody else out there that you are following word by word are just secondary sources.

Unless Haynesworth comes out and says that he wants to be traded or Shanahan says that they want to trade Haynesworth, all you are doing is speculating just like these other guys. While I don't agree with Haynesworth's actions, unlike you, I don't think this is all a big deal.
how often to players who've just got a 20MM check from their current employer come out and say they want to be traded? there is some speculation with guys like florio and JLC, but there are also underlying "facts" that they are reporting. Take, for example, the unnamed source close to Haynesworth that said he wanted to play for the Vikings. you can't simply take a statement like that at face value. you have to consider the likelyhood that the source is accurate and, if its not accurate, consider what the unnamed source would have to gain by submitting false information to a member of the media.

ideally, this will all blow over and haynesworth will have a pro-bowl year and be great for the skins for the next 3 years of his contract. if haynesworth weren't the only player skipping minicamp, or he'd publically provided a legitimate reason for not showing up for three days like everyone else, i'd be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Given everything the redskins have done for him, I don't think showing up for a 3-day minicamp (even if he skips the rest of OTAs) is asking too much.
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