Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly

[tryfuhl]

None of the reports have any actual info though. It's just being recycled over and over because there's no other real news.

Instead of a reporter really taking the time to turn the Cushing thing into a story into the dangers of young men falling into the steroids trap (unless I've missed this.. or it's still developing) they're taking the easy way out and just sweeping the shit across the floor without actually dumping it.

So because you haven't read anything indicating that he's currently working out very hard you think that it's very possible that he shows up out of shape? Man it just never ends with you does it?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

None of the reports have any actual info though. It's just being recycled over and over because there's no other real news.

Instead of a reporter really taking the time to turn the Cushing thing into a story into the dangers of young men falling into the steroids trap (unless I've missed this.. or it's still developing) they're taking the easy way out and just sweeping the shit across the floor without actually dumping it.

So because you haven't read anything indicating that he's currently working out very hard you think that it's very possible that he shows up out of shape? Man it just never ends with you does it?

thats not true. there have been several reports which site "unnamed sources close to hanyesworth." now, that's so vague that i understand why some people dismiss each one individually. however, its not like its the same story getting recycled. the THEME of the stories is recycled, but its brought up because there are new reports from these unnamed sources.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This is all true (most likely), but it's not like Haynesworth is the only one of the Shanahan-Haynesworth dynamic that has to earn the others' respect.

Shanahan doesn't nead to "earn" anyone's respect. His position alone should be enough to warrant respect. When I start a new job, my boss doesnt have to do anything to earn my respect. His position as my superior entitles him or her to respect from the beginning. It should be the same here. Haynesworth is a player. Shanahan is his boss. Respect should be a given. Additionally, its not like Shanahan is some career idiot quarterbacks coach handed a head coaching gig by another idiot. Shanahan's aa proven head coach that has won superbowls. So Haynesworth has all the more reason to respect him instantly.

The fact that Haynesworth is not demonstrating respect to Shanahan by doing what he's asking is just further evidence that Haynesworth is just stubbornly self-centered.

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Fair points in here. However, what I also see is that this is a topic that has been overhyped by this media...

I think it be ridiculously stupid for Haynesworth to show up out of shape and not ready to play. He has been a successful player in the past, and you're right, if he doesn't then his agent and whoever his people are, are not doing their jobs. I still think that Haynesworth has always been painted in a negative light, and that will never go away (see Randy Moss, TO, etc., etc.). No matter what he does, people will always criticize him. And honestly, that's where I think his mistake is, he (or his agent) needs to be aware of this negativity. But also fans need to be aware of this negativity painted by the media, as I said overhyped/exaggerated/negativity sells.

I agree with you on all these points, but I would also add that Haynesworth's signing a record-breaking contract makes anything he does newsworthy. If he hadn't stomped on a players face during a game and if he didnt have a history of producing at a higher level when he was in a contract year, then he wouldnt be under so much scrutiny. Because of his "celebrity," hes under more scrutiny than, say, Colt Brennan. if he does show up out of shape, it would be very stupid of him. However, if you look over his career, he's done a number of stupid things, so its not like he's earned the benefit of the doubt.

[GMScud]

If I had to predict, AH won't be here after 2010, and I imagine the departure won't be amicable.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by GMScud

If I had to predict, AH won't be here after 2010, and I imagine the departure won't be amicable.

I didnt know aobut this until 20 minutes ago. This may very well be the most likely scenario for AH and the skins.

http://http://www.nationalfootballpo...ynesworth.html

Cap and cash accounting
The other reason deals with accounting. The Redskins initially structured the bulk of the bonus money in the contract – $21 million of the $26M total – in the form of an option bonus to keep the cash and cap hit on the deal out of 2009, the last capped year of the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) and a year when, as has often been the case, the Redskins were snug against the cap.
Now that the Redskins got through 2009 into uncapped 2010, they used their contractually negotiated supersede right to turn the option into signing bonus.
And as part of the renegotiation, the Redskins added a clause allowing Haynesworth to void the contract after next season and walk away, having pocketed over $24M from the team in two years.
Haynesworth can now void the remaining years of the deal after 2010 if – and only if – he returns four-fifths of the $21M he is now receiving, or $16.8M. Of course, he’ll only do that if he finds a team willing to pay him more than that a year from now, which would require some serious tampering discussions. He likely will not have the money to void it anyway since it may be spent by this time next year.
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Under my conspiracy theory that AH wants a new contract with a new team; if he really wants it, he can have it.

So he gets paid 24 mil for 2 seasons with the skins. Not a bad pay day and he can go on to sign with another team.

Do we get a comp pick if AH voids the contract after this year and signs with another team?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Shanahan doesn't nead to "earn" anyone's respect. His position alone should be enough to warrant respect. When I start a new job, my boss doesnt have to do anything to earn my respect. His position as my superior entitles him or her to respect from the beginning. It should be the same here. Haynesworth is a player. Shanahan is his boss. Respect should be a given. Additionally, its not like Shanahan is some career idiot quarterbacks coach handed a head coaching gig by another idiot. Shanahan's aa proven head coach that has won superbowls. So Haynesworth has all the more reason to respect him instantly.

The fact that Haynesworth is not demonstrating respect to Shanahan by doing what he's asking is just further evidence that Haynesworth is just stubbornly self-centered.

Shanahan doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't care about being successful. His position gives him the power to treat his players however the heck he wants.

If he cares about more than just sustaining himself as head coach of this team, he's going to have to do more than just handle business with his superiors. He'll have to command the respect of any player he's counting on to contribute.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Shanahan doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't care about being successful. His position gives him the power to treat his players however the heck he wants.

If he cares about more than just sustaining himself as head coach of this team, he's going to have to do more than just handle business with his superiors. He'll have to command the respect of any player he's counting on to contribute.

I agree and how that starts is stop airing the private businesses of the team in the media. The Redskins really need to take a page form the Patriots operations by keeping all personal team information out of the media. The old practice of a coaches sending his players messages in the press about their play or other team related things is old and outdated. It has to stop. You get better results and the respect from the players if you talk about it with them in private, behind closed doors. Stop trying to humiliate them in the press. That is disrespectful.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree and how that starts is stop airing the private businesses of the team in the media. The Redskins really need to take a page form the Patriots operations by keeping all personal team information out of the media. The old practice of a coaches sending his players messages in the press about their play or other team related things is old and outdated. It has to stop. You get better results and the respect from the players if you talk about it with them in private, behind closed doors. Stop trying to humiliate them in the press. That is disrespectful.

How have the Redskins handled this wrong publicly??

Other than "we're disappointed he's not here", what has anyone from the organization said that would be humilating or disrespectful to AH??

I'm really at a loss in regard to your take.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

How have the Redskins handled this wrong publicly??

Other than "we're disappointed he's not here", what has anyone from the organization said that would be humilating or disrespectful to AH??

I'm really at a loss in regard to your take.

That is the problem. Tell the player directly you are disappointed in him but don't do it through the press. It is not professional. The Redskins and certain other teams should not air the dirty laundry in the press. What exactly to do you gain by telling the press? Makes the coach look good? Look at the new tough guy coach....he is so great.
Let the employee/employer information get out on its own. Don't get on a press stage and podium and state it to the entire world. Employees will respond better to that kind of respect and treatment. This applies to the players as well, they should not be going to the press to complain about internal team issues. Keep it in house.

[RememberRFK]

"Dirty Laundry"? I find the truth more revealing than conjecture. There was no he said, she said. It was to the point. You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!

"We've got a good coach and all that stuff. Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna be a distraction or anything. I'm just gonna do what they ask me to do." - AH


Enough said!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

That is the problem. Tell the player directly you are disappointed in him but don't do it through the press. It is not professional. The Redskins and certain other teams should not air the dirty laundry in the press. What exactly to do you gain by telling the press? Makes the coach look good? Look at the new tough guy coach....he is so great.
Let the employee/employer information get out on its own. Don't get on a press stage and podium and state it to the entire world. Employees will respond better to that kind of respect and treatment. This applies to the players as well, they should not be going to the press to complain about internal team issues. Keep it in house.

I'm just not seeing where you're coming from. Their public statements have been kept to a minimum and I really don't see how they've embarrassed or humiliated AH at all by saying they're disappointed he's not there. If you ask me they could have handled this A LOT worse.

Anytime Allen or Shanhan are asked about it, they give a pretty generic response. He's not here, we wish he was, but we've had good talks with him, he'll be here for the mandatory stuff, etc.

I would be willing to bet the discussions behind closed doors haven't been as good natured.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Shanahan doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't care about being successful. His position gives him the power to treat his players however the heck he wants.

If he cares about more than just sustaining himself as head coach of this team, he's going to have to do more than just handle business with his superiors. He'll have to command the respect of any player he's counting on to contribute.

i'd say by doing exactly what he's doing, Shanahan IS commanding the respect of the team. By standing his ground and not "letting the inmates run the asylum," shanahan is ensuring that the entire team is on the same page. well, the entire team except for one bad apple. If shanahan were to cater to Haynesworth, I imagine that he'd lose the respect of other players and open himself up to more problems in the future. In this situation, there are only two possibilities - Haynesworth gets in line or the team gets rid of Haynesworth. We can't let one bad apple ruin the whole bunch.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i'd say by doing exactly what he's doing, Shanahan IS commanding the respect of the team. By standing his ground and not "letting the inmates run the asylum," shanahan is ensuring that the entire team is on the same page. well, the entire team except for one bad apple. If shanahan were to cater to Haynesworth, I imagine that he'd lose the respect of other players and open himself up to more problems in the future. In this situation, there are only two possibilities - Haynesworth gets in line or the team gets rid of Haynesworth. We can't let one bad apple ruin the whole bunch.

By and large, you're right. I don't think there's a meaningful rift between Shanny, and any defensive player who has been kept on the roster.

I think it's safe to say that if he was here last year, we never sign Haynesworth/Hall. I don't really know too much more than that, as not feeling a player is worth $48 million in guaranteed money is different than thinking that he has to shape up if he ever wants to see the field on your watch. The distinction is critical.