Cerrato on Zorn

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've always felt like Snyder's friendship with Cerrato was not so much about the two if them, but about Snyder's respect for his father who, for whatever reason, was very tight with Vinny.

I know a lot of front offices would welcome VC to be part of their organization and do tge dirty work in the background. He had his first chance to lead here and he failed

You really think he could get another NFL job? He was out a year when Marty fired him without a sniff and now he's been out another year. Any sort of personel job with another team could do a lot to rebuild his reputation...I find it hard to believe if there was anything out there for him that he wouldn't jump at it.

[SmootSmack]

Let me rephrase: I know his football skill set would be welcome. It's everything else he brings that hurts him

[SolidSnake84]

He is still working in football to this day. Mac Brown, from Texas hired him just last month to come in and evaluate the players and serve as a consultant.

A matter of time before he finds work again. He is proven in the NFL to work in the background, with his one shot at true leadership being a failure. It makes me wonder if he would have been any different had he been with another, more winning organization.

[MTK]

Oh he'll find work in football, just not as a GM again.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

That offense won in a different era. One that had bypassed Joe a long time ago. We wouldn't have done any better with Joe calling the plays. As much as it pains Skins fans to say it, Joe was a failure his second go around regardless of those two meaningless playoff appearances. You can't be out of the league for that long and not lose something. What he did bring to this team was respect, hope, and leadership.





I don't believe Joe would "lie", but it's hard to be objective when you got people constantly kissing your ass, and that's exactly what people did.

I strongly disagree that Gibbs II was a failure. If you base it on expectations & you thought he'd win a superbowl, then yes he was a failure. But if you simply judge those 4 years by a few seasons before him & a few seasons after him, you see that Gibbs brought this team the only success it's had in the past decade. You have to judge him relative to what he walked into, which was a total mess. If the organization was in better shape to begin, I think he would've taken us further.

Back to Vinny; we can only imagine what Gibbs II tenure would've been like if Vinny wasn't here. I can't claim to know how the power structure operated then, but what everyone says about Vinny is that he always looked out for himself. He couldn't have been good for Gibbs.

[calia]

I think we should start a new poll:

Who would you identify as the all-time biggest nemesis to the Redskins organization? (The list of guys we love to hate is actually pretty long; once I got started, it was hard to know where to stop.)

a. Vinny Cerrato
b. Jerry Jones
c. Bill Parcells
d. Randy White
e. Buddy Ryan
f. Michael Irvin
g. Mark Bavaro (every time we play the G-men, I am still expecting to see him in the endzone with the football)

VC has my vote -- he's had more of a negative effect on the team and for a longer time than anyone else. The man is corrosive.

(Others should feel free to add to the list and vote.)

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Oh he'll find work in football, just not as a GM again.

Maybe if Notre Dame continues down into the toilet, they'll give him a shot at doing...something.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Oh he'll find work in football, just not as a GM again.

I would be surprised if he ever worked for an NFL team again. I could see him in college recruiting or TV/Radio but I can't ever see another NFL team hiring him.

[horse]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Vinny hired Zorn. Zorn's a nice guy, but that hire was one of the worst hires possible. Vinnie couldn't hire anyone else, b/c anyone else didn't want to work w/ Vinny. Yes, go away Vinnie, we'd rather not hear your name ever again.

We should've and could've hired Greg Williams, Gibbs had a little momentum going he would've built off of. Could have left Al as OC and kept building.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by horse

We should've and could've hired Greg Williams, Gibbs had a little momentum going he would've built off of. Could have left Al as OC and kept building.

Agreed, I was eager to see GW get his 2nd chance as a HC. He was in an ideal position in some respects, he'd earned the respect of Gibbs & players rallied around him, especially after ST's death. Leaving AS in place would've given him the magic 3 years at least to show how the O could do. Would've also given JC a chance to show what he could do w/the same OC.

[Defensewins]

^^Amen.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by calia

I think we should start a new poll:

Who would you identify as the all-time biggest nemesis to the Redskins organization? (The list of guys we love to hate is actually pretty long; once I got started, it was hard to know where to stop.)

a. Vinny Cerrato
b. Jerry Jones
c. Bill Parcells
d. Randy White
e. Buddy Ryan
f. Michael Irvin
g. Mark Bavaro (every time we play the G-men, I am still expecting to see him in the endzone with the football)

VC has my vote -- he's had more of a negative effect on the team and for a longer time than anyone else. The man is corrosive.

(Others should feel free to add to the list and vote.)

Roger Staubach

[celts32]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Agreed, I was eager to see GW get his 2nd chance as a HC. He was in an ideal position in some respects, he'd earned the respect of Gibbs & players rallied around him, especially after ST's death. Leaving AS in place would've given him the magic 3 years at least to show how the O could do. Would've also given JC a chance to show what he could do w/the same OC.

Exactly...and thinking back this is exactly what about 98% of the fan base wanted while dumb and dumber were fumbling around with Fassel & Zorn.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Agreed, I was eager to see GW get his 2nd chance as a HC. He was in an ideal position in some respects, he'd earned the respect of Gibbs & players rallied around him, especially after ST's death. Leaving AS in place would've given him the magic 3 years at least to show how the O could do. Would've also given JC a chance to show what he could do w/the same OC.

I was too. I mentioned though, i think the reason GW didn't get the gig was the fact that he probably didn't take any sh** from Vinnie and Vinnie didn't like that. GW probably wanted more control than Vinnie was willing to give him.

So, Vinnie hired, then unhired Jim Fassell, then hired Zorn.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by celts32

Exactly...and thinking back this is exactly what about 98% of the fan base wanted while dumb and dumber were fumbling around with Fassel & Zorn.

It was really the craziest fiasco coaching search ever I think. Then, the ending...Zorn. Thud.

I don't know how they could go w/ Zorn over GW. Unbelieveable.