If M. Williams is ruled out of draft, does Washington benefit?

[skinsfanthru&thru]

plus gardner might be gone this year or next to aquire some semi decent picks in the 2nd to 4th round range.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

but could you imagine him as our pass catching TE? u want to talk about the mismatches teams would have if we drafted winslow, but they wouldn't compare to what williams as our te or h-back would do. i'm not for trading future picks like a few people have suggested, but I'd be the first one in line to say if u can draft williams in the supplemental draft do it!!

It wouldn't be a bad idea if we pick up Taylor and Cleveland drafts Winslow as everyone expects. But a first round pick? All that money? I'm not familiar enough with him...

[skinsfanthru&thru]

he'd be top 15 first round talent for significantly less money. his signing bonus even after the debating will be about 3-5 million less in signing bonus alone than he would have gotten from being drafted this saturday. and like skins93 said, more than likely we should be picking in the later half of the draft next year.

[SKINSnCANES]

I dont see him being a good H-back. He has no experience in blocking, and while hes big for a receiver his small for a tightend. Winslow looks like a tall skinny guy, but its a solid 250. Winslow got enough bulk to him to block people, yet hes fast enough to be a receiver. If you draft M.Williams you gotta play him at receiver, just not number one receiver becasue coles is obvioulsy way faster. He'll be a threat at wideout one day, hes got a little maturing to do though. Hasnt he only been playing football for two years? He did somethign else before he came to college.

[BleedBurgundy]

What's William weigh anyway? I know it's up there, but not sure how up there...

[skinsfanthru&thru]

he's 6'5 at 230lbs.

[Dave Butz Baby!]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

What's William weigh anyway? I know it's up there, but not sure how up there...

He is 6'5", 230. Put another 20-25 pounds on him, he'd make a hell of an H-back.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

plus from everything I've read about winslow is that he isn't the greatest blocker either. and i also seem to get the idea from sports writers and such that the h-back isn't really used much as a blocker. the h-back is the recieving threat while the te is used primarily as a blocker/extra tackle.

[SKINSnCANES]

230, and people want him to lose weight so he'll be faster. Winslow is already faster.

[SKINSnCANES]

you put another 30 pounds on him, and teach him to block. Thats a lot to ask out of a guy. Because it has to be thirty pounds of muscle. Hes used to being a playmaker, he doesnt want to play hback. It would be easier to get him to lose 10 pounds, and just keep conditioning to be faster. Look at Shockey, Tony G. Todd Heap, they all have big frames, and can just move for their size. How much good do you think Mike would do running infront of Portis 30 times a game? Linebackers and Linemen would level a receiver trying to play fullback all game.

[SKINSnCANES]

He would be good whenever you sent him in motion, he woudl be a huge threat that way. But then you are just playing him as a receiver, which they should just do anyways.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

He would be good whenever you sent him in motion, he woudl be a huge threat that way. But then you are just playing him as a receiver, which they should just do anyways.

so in that regards wouldn't winslow just be a beefed up wr since he isn't really technically sound in his blocking and would mostly be used in shifts and motions?

[Defensewins]

Please stop judging football players only on the 40 yard dash times and work out numbers. Being fast in the 40 does not make you a great WR or football player. It helps, but you must remember they are playing football not track and field.
Michael Irvin (in his prime), Keyshawn Johnson and Terrell Owens are not going to break anything less than 4.6 or 4.7 in the 40 and they are/were all great Probowl WR's.
There are big possesion WR's and there are speed WR's. Williams is a possesion WR.

Just like being 6' 5" and 250 plus lbs. does not make you a great blocking Tight end.
Making Williams an H-back is not going to work and it would be waste of his god given talent. The jump from blocking defensive backs in college to blocking Linebackers and defensive ends in the NFL is a big jump. Most good college TE's have a tough time adjusting to being good blockers in the NFL. It takes them years to adjust For a WR to do it is just not going to happen.

[SKINSnCANES]

Winslow can block. Hes been playing in a blocking position for three years now learning how to block. Ive seen WInslow deck linebackers week in and week out. He can also tackle, having a shitty QB that throws lots of picks allowed me to see Winslow level some players that just got picks. So mabye hed make a good special teams player to.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Winslow can block. Hes been playing in a blocking position for three years now learning how to block. Ive seen WInslow deck linebackers week in and week out. He can also tackle, having a shitty QB that throws lots of picks allowed me to see Winslow level some players that just got picks. So mabye hed make a good special teams player to.

Winslow is a good blocker. But Winslow decks college players week in and week out. This is the NFL.
He is not going to come in and dominate someone like Lavar Arrington week in and week out. In fact he will probably get a rude awakening to blocking defensive ends and Linebacker in the NFL. He will have to adjust.
The best players Winslow has faced to date is probably in practice against the Miami defense. NFL defenses are even better.