WP: Haynesworth will skip minicamp, wants trade

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

I'm with you bro ! I gave so many people shit about this guy and he goes and does this. Don't cut him, don't trade him. Keep him, let his ass sit and be miserable until he gets with the program. If not, then you basically ended this pricks career after sitting on the bench for 4 years.

my man

[skinsfaninok]

Report: Haynesworth will show up for training camp | ProFootballTalk.com

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Report: Haynesworth will show up for training camp | ProFootballTalk.com

Damn, where have I heard this before?............

Oh yea it was when he said he would only show up for mandatory camps. lol.

[tryfuhl]

you know who DOES want to be here

Darnell Dockett

Twitter / DARNELL DOCKETT: Ok so everyone knows my co ...

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

you know who DOES want to be here

Darnell Dockett

Twitter / DARNELL DOCKETT: Ok so everyone knows my co ...

Dockett isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. I don't know how I'd feel about signing him, however I do imagine that he would command Dansby type money on the open market so I doubt we would go after him. Besides in a 3-4, even without Haynesworth we have a pretty damn good line. I'd be a little worried if we were playing a 4-3 but with a 3-4 we have guys that are in a position to succeed.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Dockett isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. I don't know how I'd feel about signing him, however I do imagine that he would command Dansby type money on the open market so I doubt we would go after him. Besides in a 3-4, even without Haynesworth we have a pretty damn good line. I'd be a little worried if we were playing a 4-3 but with a 3-4 we have guys that are in a position to succeed.

I agree

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I agree

Actually now I've had a change of heart on Dansby. Based on this chat session he seems like a pretty good guy. Though at the same time I stick to my statement that we wouldn't have the money or desire to go after him.
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If I were his teammate, I would ask for a trade. There's no way you can win with a guy like that on your team. I would feel like he's the highest paid player in the NFL, and that he alone is supposed to be at everything before everyone else, and have the most accountability. No disrespect to the player on your team who is getting that much, but a lot of guys would go above and beyond to get a contract like that. Personally, if they were to pay me that much, I would go outside and help set the field up before practice!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Actually now I've had a change of heart on Dansby. Based on this chat session he seems like a pretty good guy. Though at the same time I stick to my statement that we wouldn't have the money or desire to go after him.
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You mean Dockett right?

It's funny reading his twitter because he doesn't hold back at all, kind of vulgar

then he's like Oh come check out my free youth football camp haha

[CultBrennan59]

I wonder how much his jerseys are going for now

[Dogtag]

I am very disappointed in AH; he just is not making good decisions.

He does not understand the concept of being a member of a TEAM. He is either getting bad advice from his agent or he is not very bright. He obviously over values his worth. He is not a man of strong moral character.

I am disappointed that he does not care for this Organization, its great members, and its very proud history in a manner that most fans here at the WP most certainly do.

AH remarks remind me of the immature character in the movie PRIVATE BENJAMIN ... I remember a scene where she is walking off punishment duty in the rain and complains that this is not the Army she signed up for ... the recruiter broke promises made to her.

Fletcher's comments are right on the mark. It will be interesting to see how management deals with this situation ... it will send a message to the rest of the team.

[Mc2guy]

Anyone catch this gem of a blog?

INSIDE THE CAP with J.I. Halsell: Under the Cap: The Redskins Finally Leverage the Uncapped Year

Basically, BA converted the Option Bonus to a Signing Bonus earlier this year (presumably to avoid future cap charges for Big Al). In doing so, the $21M now becomes available for forfeiture if Haynesworth defaults on his contract, whereas it was untouchable as an option bonus.

Al's agent now looks like a moron if their plan was to hold out all along. Seems pretty clear that if Haynesworth doesn't show, or gets himself suspended, he will forfeit all or much of the $21M.

This makes me feel more confident that Allen and Shanny foresaw this issue and planned for its contingency. These guys look smarter every day.

[JoeRedskin]

^^ Are you sure that's true? It says it's a signing bonus that's not prorated b/c its voidable at the players option. If it's not prorated, I don't think the club can reclaim a portion of it.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ Are you sure that's true? It says it's a signing bonus that's not prorated b/c its voidable at the players option. If it's not prorated, I don't think the club can reclaim a portion of it.

What it says is that the team can go after a prorated portion of a signing bonus if a player renegs or "willfully or substantially undermines their ability to contribute to training camp or regular season" according to the CBA.

Since the prorated period for the contract is 2010-2015, then as I read it, this is year one and they can go after all of it. If he lays down in 2011, they would only be able to go after 16.8M (21 - 4.2).

I guess it comes down to how an arbitrator would rule on the definition of "willfully or substantially undermining" and how the proration of the bonus would work. Regardless, the Skins have a position legally to allow them to recoup their bonus money if Fatty doesn't play ball. Had they not converted the Option to a Signing bonus, they would have zero recourse.

[Mc2guy]

Here is the exact language from the CBA, which can be found here:

CBA-Download - NFLPlayers.com

Section 9. Limitations on Salary Forfeitures:

(a) No forfeitures of signing bonuses shall be permitted, except that
players and Clubs may agree: (i) to proportionate forfeitures of a signing
bonus if a player voluntarily retires or willfully withholds his services from
one or more regular season games; and/or (ii) that if a player willfully takes
action that has the effect of substantially undermining his ability to fully
participate and contribute in either pre-season training camp or the regular
season (including by willfully withholding his services in either pre-season
training camp or during the regular season or willfully missing one or more
games), the player may forfeit the greater of: (a) 25% of the prorated portion
of his signing bonus for the applicable League Year for the first time
such conduct occurs after the beginning of training camp until the end of
the season for his Club, and the remaining 75% prorated portion of his
signing bonus for the applicable year for the second time such conduct occurs
during that period that year; or (b) the proportionate amount of his
signing bonus allocation for each week missed (1/17th for each regular season
week or game missed).

[diehard]

I gotta feeling the Skins will win an arbitration. Haynesworth is not the model player the CBA wants to represent. Besides, Syder will have top lawyers and maybe Obama will step in...