Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

f-ck Bly...we need to do a straight draft pick trade with Denver in which they compensate us according to the chart. That would mean all 4 of Denvers 1st day picks. Denver wants to toss Bly into the deal and overstate his value and rip us off in the process. If we get a 1st & 2nd and Bly for the 6th pick then we basically spent two 3rd round picks on a 30 year old CB! That trade is awful as reported!

If Bly is in the deal they would have to add a 3rd rounder in addition to the 2nd and the swap of #1's.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If Bly is in the deal they would have to add a 3rd rounder in addition to the 2nd and the swap of #1's.

I am okay with taking Bly(even though I don't want him) as long as they still get a #1, #2, & #3. The Redskins need at least 2 extra draft picks to go all the way down to 21. That's a huge drop...teams have given 1st day draft picks just to move up a spot or two within the top 10. I have a bad feeling that Denver is going to pull the whool over the skins eyes again...and they are going to use Bly to confuse the issue and pull it off.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

I am okay with taking Bly(even though I don't want him) as long as they still get a #1, #2, & #3. The Redskins need at least 2 extra draft picks to go all the way down to 21. That's a huge drop...teams have given 1st day draft picks just to move up a spot or two within the top 10. I have a bad feeling that Denver is going to pull the whool over the skins eyes again...and they are going to use Bly to confuse the issue and pull it off.

You're right, they would need at least 2 picks to go down to #21, otherwise it would make no sense at all. Plus considering we already reportedly turned down a deal that would have given us Al Wilson, #21, a 3rd and possibly a 2nd, all for the #6, it tells me that those basic parameters are already on the table.

And going by JLC's speculation:

And, trust me, these teams have been talking about swapping draft picks for weeks, I hear on very good authority, and have already had the parameters of several potential deals in place. So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You're right, they would need at least 2 picks to go down to #21, otherwise it would make no sense at all. Plus considering we already reportedly turned down a deal that would have given us Al Wilson, #21, a 3rd and possibly a 2nd, all for the #6, it tells me that those basic parameters are already on the table.

And going by JLC's speculation:

And, trust me, these teams have been talking about swapping draft picks for weeks, I hear on very good authority, and have already had the parameters of several potential deals in place. So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

See...I don't like the "and/or" and the "possible" they keep saying. If the skins don't get an extra 2nd and a 3rd in addition to Bly they were robbed! The skins #6 pick is valued at 1600 points...all 4 of Denvers Day 1 picks which include a #1,#2 & a couple #3's total 1535. So those 4 picks still do not equal the value of our pick. I want Bly left out of this deal so that his debatable value does not interfere with us getting proper compensation.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If Bly is in the deal they would have to add a 3rd rounder in addition to the 2nd and the swap of #1's.

Assuming that's true then it's fair. So the trade would be:

#6 pick

for

1st
2nd
3rd
Bly

I can live with that, but I am still not thrilled about giving a 30 year old CB a huge signing bonus.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by celts32

Assuming that's true then it's fair. So the trade would be:

#6 pick

for

1st
2nd
3rd
Bly

I can live with that, but I am still not thrilled about giving a 30 year old CB a huge signing bonus.

I'm fine with giving him that money as LONG as we have money for Cooley and Taylor towards the end of the year.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm fine with giving him that money as LONG as we have money for Cooley and Taylor towards the end of the year.

That's just it...we don't know when they didn't have the money until those guys are gone already. Why not just try and get through another year with Springs and then see where things stand next year. I don't think it will happen...but suppose Rogers develops into a capable #1 CB? Then they never needed Bly...but needed a 2nd or 3rd CB instead. Every penny spent on one player is one less penny for another. I just think Bly is on the wrong side of 30 to be getting a big bonus.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm fine with giving him that money as LONG as we have money for Cooley and Taylor towards the end of the year.

So then the question becomes is it more valuable to us to cut trade Springs or wait until June and cut him then

[MTK]

As for Springs I find it funny that people are reluctant to part with him. I think Springs and Bly are in the same class of corner at this point in their careers but the big difference right now is Springs' inability to stay healthy.

[redsk1]

I agree w/ a couple things but one crucial thing is being left off. SS won't take a paycut so his CAP # would be huge if we kept him. He won't restructure. Bly's deal might be a little more cap friendly, well at least for right now.

To get a quality, top cb in Bly and still have a 21st pick and a 2nd/3rd + a potential SS trade for a pick or two might be doable.

FWIW, i'm hoping SS & the skins can work something out. SS, Smoot, Rogers...I could live w/ that secondary.

[That Guy]

it really depends on the deal. if the broncos give 1,2,3 + bly for the #6, and you can trade springs on top of that for another 2 or 3, then that still gives you a chance to trade up for okoye, or take carriker, as well as taking another DE (because of the great depth) or OG in the 2nd and an OG/TE/etc in the 3rd.

if the deal is only bly, pick 21, and a 3rd rounder, then no, it doesn't make sense, cause it's not a great offer.

[RobH4413]

The again, if we could hold on to Springs and draft a stud lineman, that could do wonders for our pass rush, and our secondary.

I tend to agree that we need to trade down, but I don't want to go crazy about getting Bly. He's really not that good, and If I can hold on to Springs, albeit an unhappy one, I think we could be in good shape.

But I guess Springs would stay healthy for a whole 5 games, so theres always that to consider.

[SmootSmack]

Ultimately I don't think it's about Bly. It's about getting more draft picks

[Misterbillysells]

Does anyone know who Denver is trying to trade up to get at the 6th spot in the draft?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Misterbillysells

Does anyone know who Denver is trying to trade up to get at the 6th spot in the draft?

Not that I've heard. That's a good question. My guess would be the same guys we're looking at - DE & DTs. They have that former cleveland d-line & they may think if they can get 1 pass rusher to contribute next year that it will put them over the top.
It definitely looks like they're doing what we did last year & putting it all in for a super bowl.
It may come down to draft day & who's available at #6 & how bad they want him. I hope we make em sweat till they offer up Bly & 5 picks! (even though I want to see Springs stay)