Bram Weinstein: stay put at No. 6

[celts32]

f-ck Bly...we need to do a straight draft pick trade with Denver in which they compensate us according to the chart. That would mean all 4 of Denvers 1st day picks. Denver wants to toss Bly into the deal and overstate his value and rip us off in the process. If we get a 1st & 2nd and Bly for the 6th pick then we basically spent two 3rd round picks on a 30 year old CB! That trade is awful as reported!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

f-ck Bly...we need to do a straight draft pick trade with Denver in which they compensate us according to the chart. That would mean all 4 of Denvers 1st day picks. Denver wants to toss Bly into the deal and overstate his value and rip us off in the process. If we get a 1st & 2nd and Bly for the 6th pick then we basically spent two 3rd round picks on a 30 year old CB! That trade is awful as reported!

If Bly is in the deal they would have to add a 3rd rounder in addition to the 2nd and the swap of #1's.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If Bly is in the deal they would have to add a 3rd rounder in addition to the 2nd and the swap of #1's.

I am okay with taking Bly(even though I don't want him) as long as they still get a #1, #2, & #3. The Redskins need at least 2 extra draft picks to go all the way down to 21. That's a huge drop...teams have given 1st day draft picks just to move up a spot or two within the top 10. I have a bad feeling that Denver is going to pull the whool over the skins eyes again...and they are going to use Bly to confuse the issue and pull it off.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

I am okay with taking Bly(even though I don't want him) as long as they still get a #1, #2, & #3. The Redskins need at least 2 extra draft picks to go all the way down to 21. That's a huge drop...teams have given 1st day draft picks just to move up a spot or two within the top 10. I have a bad feeling that Denver is going to pull the whool over the skins eyes again...and they are going to use Bly to confuse the issue and pull it off.

You're right, they would need at least 2 picks to go down to #21, otherwise it would make no sense at all. Plus considering we already reportedly turned down a deal that would have given us Al Wilson, #21, a 3rd and possibly a 2nd, all for the #6, it tells me that those basic parameters are already on the table.

And going by JLC's speculation:

And, trust me, these teams have been talking about swapping draft picks for weeks, I hear on very good authority, and have already had the parameters of several potential deals in place. So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You're right, they would need at least 2 picks to go down to #21, otherwise it would make no sense at all. Plus considering we already reportedly turned down a deal that would have given us Al Wilson, #21, a 3rd and possibly a 2nd, all for the #6, it tells me that those basic parameters are already on the table.

And going by JLC's speculation:

And, trust me, these teams have been talking about swapping draft picks for weeks, I hear on very good authority, and have already had the parameters of several potential deals in place. So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

See...I don't like the "and/or" and the "possible" they keep saying. If the skins don't get an extra 2nd and a 3rd in addition to Bly they were robbed! The skins #6 pick is valued at 1600 points...all 4 of Denvers Day 1 picks which include a #1,#2 & a couple #3's total 1535. So those 4 picks still do not equal the value of our pick. I want Bly left out of this deal so that his debatable value does not interfere with us getting proper compensation.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If Bly is in the deal they would have to add a 3rd rounder in addition to the 2nd and the swap of #1's.

Assuming that's true then it's fair. So the trade would be:

#6 pick

for

1st
2nd
3rd
Bly

I can live with that, but I am still not thrilled about giving a 30 year old CB a huge signing bonus.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by celts32

Assuming that's true then it's fair. So the trade would be:

#6 pick

for

1st
2nd
3rd
Bly

I can live with that, but I am still not thrilled about giving a 30 year old CB a huge signing bonus.

I'm fine with giving him that money as LONG as we have money for Cooley and Taylor towards the end of the year.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm fine with giving him that money as LONG as we have money for Cooley and Taylor towards the end of the year.

That's just it...we don't know when they didn't have the money until those guys are gone already. Why not just try and get through another year with Springs and then see where things stand next year. I don't think it will happen...but suppose Rogers develops into a capable #1 CB? Then they never needed Bly...but needed a 2nd or 3rd CB instead. Every penny spent on one player is one less penny for another. I just think Bly is on the wrong side of 30 to be getting a big bonus.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by celts32

That's just it...we don't know when they didn't have the money until those guys are gone already. Why not just try and get through another year with Springs and then see where things stand next year. I don't think it will happen...but suppose Rogers develops into a capable #1 CB? Then they never needed Bly...but needed a 2nd or 3rd CB instead. Every penny spent on one player is one less penny for another. I just think Bly is on the wrong side of 30 to be getting a big bonus.

I understand your concern, but obviously they aren't comfortable with the thought of Smoot and Rogers at #1 and #2, with Jimoh the only other capable guy backing them up. And all of that hinges on whether Springs is willing to either take a pay cut or restructure. Additionally, if that's not settled before June 1, then who's going to be available at that point if Springs is no longer on the team?

Ultimately you have to look at it like this: Either we stick it out with Springs and HOPE he stays healthy, (along with his increased cap number) or spend nearly the same amount that you would have with a guy who's a couple of years younger in Dre Bly.

Of the two choices, I think you have to lean towards Bly and all the extra draft picks we stand to get.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I understand your concern, but obviously they aren't comfortable with the thought of Smoot and Rogers at #1 and #2, with Jimoh the only other capable guy backing them up. And all of that hinges on whether Springs is willing to either take a pay cut or restructure. Additionally, if that's not settled before June 1, then who's going to be available at that point if Springs is no longer on the team?

Ultimately you have to look at it like this: Either we stick it out with Springs and HOPE he stays healthy, (along with his increased cap number) or spend nearly the same amount that you would have with a guy who's a couple of years younger in Dre Bly.

Of the two choices, I think you have to lean towards Bly and all the extra draft picks we stand to get.

They have Springs cap number fit in for this year even without a restructuring...so they would not have to cut him at all. I prefer to do a straight draft pick trade with Denver for all 4 of their day 1 picks and try and make it through one more year with Springs. Maybe we can find a younger #1 CB to give big bonus money to next offseason.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I understand your concern, but obviously they aren't comfortable with the thought of Smoot and Rogers at #1 and #2, with Jimoh the only other capable guy backing them up. And all of that hinges on whether Springs is willing to either take a pay cut or restructure. Additionally, if that's not settled before June 1, then who's going to be available at that point if Springs is no longer on the team?

Ultimately you have to look at it like this: Either we stick it out with Springs and HOPE he stays healthy, (along with his increased cap number) or spend nearly the same amount that you would have with a guy who's a couple of years younger in Dre Bly.

Of the two choices, I think you have to lean towards Bly and all the extra draft picks we stand to get.

Totally! To many unknown things have to go................just right for this to work out in it's present configuration:

Can Springs stay healthy for 16 games + ?
Is Carlos going to step up this season?
Can Fred be a starter if either of the other two don't fly?

This is not to mention the added problems if we don't dramatically improve D-line, and/or D-ends.

TO MUCH RISK......as is

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm fine with giving him that money as LONG as we have money for Cooley and Taylor towards the end of the year.

So then the question becomes is it more valuable to us to cut trade Springs or wait until June and cut him then