Collin's Good Backup nothing more

[wolfeskins]

todd played well when he had protection and not so well when he didn't. pretty simple really. i'd like to see him as the backup again next season. let brunell go and keep a young kid as the 3rd qb

[saden1]

Our offensive game plan was complete trash. The Hawks did to us what we did to the Vikings. They staked the line plus they double covered Santana the whole day. Skins didn't make adjustments until the end of third qtr and early fourth qtr run and they could finish when they had to.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He waited to have turnovers? Like he was trying to sabotage the team? That comment alone makes anything else you're trying to say not worth reading.

Thats just unreal, the guy plays great for 4 games to lead us into the playoffs all so he can make two turnovers and ruin our season? Someone needs to think a little more if possible before they start a thread of this nature.

Todd was under a huge amount of pressure ALL day, I don't think any QB could have done any better. I think he will be in the wings of Jason for the next couple of years, he showed me why the team decided to put him in the #2 QB position this season ( in front of MB) well deserved.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He waited to have turnovers? Like he was trying to sabotage the team? That comment alone makes anything else you're trying to say not worth reading.

No I didnt say he meant to sabatoage the team.... but alot was made about how Campbell had turned the ball over and Collins hadn't...Well he did in the Last game.. Too much credit was given to him before this game.. And I do think He had played well in the 4 games....But Just about everyone here crowned him ... I watched weeks of...Campbell wasn't ready... And Campbell was villified.... Well Collin's weaknesses came out... Alot was made of his quickly getting rid of the ball... Well i saw several times when he held the ball too long yesterday... And stood there very immobile not stepping up at all... And Sorry but he Did throw bad passes yesterday... His lack of mobility proved to be a liabilty.... He was dealing with the same thing Campbell was ALL SEASON... no time .... So now you say oh the offensive Line didn't give him time....Well of course they didn't.... BUT my point is had he won the game there would have been more of.... Well Collins is showing what the system can do... and Campbell never played well... Well NONE of that happened.... He played well but his weak arm, lack of mobility and Temperment shows he is a Career backup..... Nothing more...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by railcon56

No I didnt say he meant to sabatoage the team.... but alot was made about how Campbell had turned the ball over and Collins hadn't...Well he did in the Last game.. Too much credit was given to him before this game.. And I do think He had played well in the 4 games....But Just about everyone here crowned him ... I watched weeks of...Campbell wasn't ready... And Campbell was villified.... Well Collin's weaknesses came out... Alot was made of his quickly getting rid of the ball... Well i saw several times when he held the ball too long yesterday... And stood there very immobile not stepping up at all... And Sorry but he Did throw bad passes yesterday... His lack of mobility proved to be a liabilty.... He was dealing with the same thing Campbell was ALL SEASON... no time .... So now you say oh the offensive Line didn't give him time....Well of course they didn't.... BUT my point is had he won the game there would have been more of.... Well Collins is showing what the system can do... and Campbell never played well... Well NONE of that happened.... He played well but his weak arm, lack of mobility and Temperment shows he is a Career backup..... Nothing more...

I'll respond in your format:

Then why did you say he waited until the most important game, does that not imply that you're saying he did it on purpose...fact is Campbell was turning the ball over, even he would tell you that (particularly his fumbles) is something that needs to be improved on,,,

You know what, never mind the rest. I don't know even know what your point is.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'll respond in your format:

Then why did you say he waited until the most important game, does that not imply that you're saying he did it on purpose...fact is Campbell was turning the ball over, even he would tell you that (particularly his fumbles) is something that needs to be improved on,,,

You know what, never mind the rest. I don't know even know what your point is.

Hell NO I never meant he did it on purpose... Geez... I meant well he hadnt played long enough to be compared to Campbell tunovers...And in the Dallas Game he had 2 fumbles too...But I just meant People were too quick to give him All the credit...... To me he didnt play well... Even if we did give him Credit Campbell didnt need to be villified... and he was....

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by railcon56

Hell NO I never meant he did it on purpose... Geez... I meant well he hadnt played long enough to be compared to Campbell tunovers...And in the Dallas Game he had 2 fumbles too...But I just meant People were too quick to give him All the credit...... To me he didnt play well... Even if we did give him Credit Campbell didnt need to be villified... and he was....

How did we vilify JC? I think if anything we just chalked his mistakes up to inexperience and that they could be corrected over time with more practice. I think TC has the experience but as you were saying about his temperament it seemed as if EVERYTHING was going wrong for the Skins in that game. If everything you tried wasn't working, don't you think you'd get upset too? It was a lot riding on that game, they were playing away, they were making mistakes, the O-Line might as well have been non-existant, WRs were dropping passes. I'm sure everything just came to a boil for TC and he was losing it. That's nothing to discredit him for. TC is a backup and by no means starting material but in my eyes he's reliable.

[rk3025]

If [a big word]moss and collins had been on the same page and scored a TD instead of the intercepted TD it would have been different

Looks to me like we need a Fullback that can gain a yard
Are there any in free agency available?
need another wr, pass rusher and secondary help to improve our chances next year

QUOTE=railcon56;402986]Hell NO I never meant he did it on purpose... Geez... I meant well he hadnt played long enough to be compared to Campbell tunovers...And in the Dallas Game he had 2 fumbles too...But I just meant People were too quick to give him All the credit...... To me he didnt play well... Even if we did give him Credit Campbell didnt need to be villified... and he was....[/QUOTE]

[tdSKINS1]

Thats pretty ignorant man.. O-line was shitty. Collins stepped up for us the last 4 games. I hope to god he's back next year to either back up or start.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by railcon56

Todd proved there was a reason why he is a career backup.... He has terribly weak arm .... and is the slowest "Turtle Like QB " I have ever seen.... I even saw him throw a few temper tantrums Sunday.... He threw bad passes.... And his lack of mobility made him an easy Target.....Funny how 3 good Games was enough to have many people on this board turn on Campbell... But The Seahawks played Collin's like you should play a slow weak armed QB.... NO WAY HE WILL BE BACK... That was obvious Sunday.... Oh and he waited till the most important game of the year To have turnovers....

Your post says a great deal about how much you know about football.

[pdid5000]

Seattle was probably the hardest test for us in the playoffs, especially at home. There gonna go far, maybe the super bowl.

[SmootSmack]

That is true, he did fumble against the Cowboys.

Anyhow, Campbell was never vilified as you say. If some did, that's their problem and you don't need to generalize that everyone was vilifying JC and ready to crown Collins. The majority consensus has been that the offensive line (Heyer and Fabini) and Collins played beyond expectations down the stretch. And that Collins knows this offense best, better than Campbell particularly, so we saw under Collins what this offense is truly capable of. Yet the majority consensus is that Campbell has a very bright future and this is his team. Still, we shouldn't rip Collins for his overall body of work this past month

[irish]

At this point Collins is a better QB than Campbell. I'm not sure campbell would have completed a pass last night considering all the heat the D was putting on the QB. Collins isnt as mobile or have the cannon arm of JC but right now he thinks faster and gets the ball out much quicker. It will be very interesting to see what will happen with QB in the offseason.

[NinjaLink]

Todd Collins helped the Redskins win 4 games in get us into the playoffs. If you look at it as a regular season, we are 4-1 with Todd Collins. It really isn't all that bad. I do want to have Jason Campbell back next season as starter because he is the future of the Skins. With his speed and agility, I think he will turn out to be a good QB.

[GMScud]

Collins knows the offense well and caught lightning in a bottle as far as the team's motivation with Taylor's passing. I think he did a fantastic job, and he has good chemistry with the team. I think Jason will be the unquestioned starter going into next season, but it's good to know we have a 1A-1B QB situation.

I don't think we have to worry about Todd signing with another team. He only played 4 good games and he'll be 37 next season. I also don't think he'll start another game for us unless Campbell gets hurt again.