What this all means for Moss?

Stuck in TX · 05-07-2008, 09:48 AM

Moss is easy, jam him at the line and double team him. That has been the opponent's method since he came here and it has been successful. With a huge target in Kelly, and a quick, large target in Thomas, added with a true slot burner in ARE, there will not be enough CB's to hang with Moss. He will have a bounceback season to remember and I think he will have the opportunity to silence all of his critics for years to come. And speaking of the Green Bay game, Moss was injured during that game. If not for him we would not have had even 3 healthy receivers. He blew that game for us but his heart was there. With no O line and Green Bay's run stopping dynamics, we couldnt utilize Portis like we wanted to. We hung in there though and put up a fight IMO.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-07-2008, 09:48 AM

Honestly, I think our rookie WRs will shine initially when Moss is taking double coverage away from them...

Stuck in TX · 05-07-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Honestly, I think our rookie WRs will shine initially when Moss is taking double coverage away from them...

I can live with that too. If thats the case it will vary from game to game. For every double team there will be an open WR who can take it to the house.

Schneed10 · 05-07-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Honestly, I think our rookie WRs will shine initially when Moss is taking double coverage away from them...

Highly doubtful. The last rookie WR to truly "shine" was Anquan Boldin.

SC Skins Fan · 05-07-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Highly doubtful. The last rookie WR to truly "shine" was Anquan Boldin.

Marques Colston might disagree. But, of course, you are right that most don't do all that well.

DGreene28 · 05-07-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Highly doubtful. The last rookie WR to truly "shine" was Anquan Boldin.

Dwayne Bowe
Marques Colston

Both got their shine on as rookies

Schneed10 · 05-07-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DGreene28

Dwayne Bowe
Marques Colston

Both got their shine on as rookies

Yeah true that on Colston. Bowe was decent last year, but I wouldn't say "shine".

But even if you count him in there, you had Boldin, then Colston, then Bowe. That's what, 3 WRs in like 5 years? Odds aren't good.

Kelly especially is very raw. I do think that Thomas has a good chance to be the best rookie WR in the league this year. 800 yards is a good target for him. Will that set the league on fire? No. And it won't make us a juggernaut offense, because ARE is going to take a step back.

The only way our passing game really gets cranking is if Moss somehow stays fully healthy and the team gets on the same page with Campbell in a hurry.

In the end, I'm looking at Portis to carry us on his back. In 2010 I'll look for a more dynamic passing game. 2009 is time for growing pains.

Jake2008 · 05-07-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah true that on Colston. Bowe was decent last year, but I wouldn't say "shine".

But even if you count him in there, you had Boldin, then Colston, then Bowe. That's what, 3 WRs in like 5 years? Odds aren't good.

Kelly especially is very raw. I do think that Thomas has a good chance to be the best rookie WR in the league this year. 800 yards is a good target for him. Will that set the league on fire? No. And it won't make us a juggernaut offense, because ARE is going to take a step back.

The only way our passing game really gets cranking is if Moss somehow stays fully healthy and the team gets on the same page with Campbell in a hurry.

In the end, I'm looking at Portis to carry us on his back. In 2010 I'll look for a more dynamic passing game. 2009 is time for growing pains.

I agree that Moss needs to play for the passing game to excel. He is the only one with speed that can command a double team and keep the safety honest. At this point I don't think anyone else does. Hopefully the rookies will get there, but we won't know until probably December about that.

I also think the offensive line will be the biggest factor in how we do offensively. If Jansen and Thomas don't come back to their old playing forms then it could be a long season especially if anyone goes down.

DGreene28 · 05-07-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah true that on Colston. Bowe was decent last year, but I wouldn't say "shine".

But even if you count him in there, you had Boldin, then Colston, then Bowe. That's what, 3 WRs in like 5 years? Odds aren't good.

Kelly especially is very raw. I do think that Thomas has a good chance to be the best rookie WR in the league this year. 800 yards is a good target for him. Will that set the league on fire? No. And it won't make us a juggernaut offense, because ARE is going to take a step back.

The only way our passing game really gets cranking is if Moss somehow stays fully healthy and the team gets on the same page with Campbell in a hurry.

In the end, I'm looking at Portis to carry us on his back. In 2010 I'll look for a more dynamic passing game. 2009 is time for growing pains.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Bowe... or maybe our definitions of "Shine" are a little different. I will agree that it is not the norm for a WR to make a major impact his rookie year. I do think Thomas, Kelly and Davis will all make decent contributions this season but not at the level of Bowe or Colston in their rookie seasons.

skinsfan69 · 05-07-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Honestly, I think our rookie WRs will shine initially when Moss is taking double coverage away from them...

Personally, I'm not expecting much from either of these guys this year. Rookie wr's never ever do shit the first year of two. Even Calvin Johnson struggled last year.

SC Skins Fan · 05-07-2008, 10:44 AM

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Personally, I'm not expecting much from either of these guys this year. Rookie wr's never ever do shit the first year of two. Even Calvin Johnson struggled last year.

If by "never ever do shit" you mean don't gain 1,000+ yards then you have some argument. But to say they can't contribute is an overstatement. As stated above, Marques Colson had 1,000+ in 2006; Dwayne Bowe had 900+ last year; and Calvin Johnson had 756 yards and 4 tds (which is disappointing mostly because so much was expected of him, but he was also injured); James Jones had 676 yards; Greg Jennings had 630 yards in 2006; etc. It is possible for rookies to contribute, even shine in spots, and help win some games. If you are expecting 1,200 yards then, yeah, you will end up disappointed.

skinsfan69 · 05-07-2008, 01:52 PM

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If by "never ever do shit" you mean don't gain 1,000+ yards then you have some argument. But to say they can't contribute is an overstatement. As stated above, Marques Colson had 1,000+ in 2006; Dwayne Bowe had 900+ last year; and Calvin Johnson had 756 yards and 4 tds (which is disappointing mostly because so much was expected of him, but he was also injured); James Jones had 676 yards; Greg Jennings had 630 yards in 2006; etc. It is possible for rookies to contribute, even shine in spots, and help win some games. If you are expecting 1,200 yards then, yeah, you will end up disappointed.

Yes these are all good examples. But for every Marucs Colston there are 3-4 Chad Jackson's. I hope these guys come in and contribute right away. Thomas seems more ready to play right away.

SmootSmack · 05-07-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yes these are all good examples. But for every Marucs Colston there are 3-4 Chad Jackson's. I hope these guys come in and contribute right away. Thomas seems more ready to play right away.

I think Kelly is more ready to play right away. Thomas is still a bit raw by comparison.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-07-2008, 10:53 AM

I'm thinking in terms of relativity. I'm not saying they'll post 1200+ yards in receiving. I think they'll shine when it comes to comparing other rookie WRs next year. I think one of them will get over 800 yards receiving and a couple TDs.

freddyg12 · 05-07-2008, 11:09 AM

Moss has been a great player for us overall. Of course he's been hurt & has a propensity to be so, but he's made a lot of big plays & has been a solid team guy. Top wr's are hard to come by, and he may not be a top 5 guy, he's close when healthy.

He needs help & they just got him some. While I don't expect those guys to put up big #s in year 1, if they can have decent rookie years (30-40 catches maybe) then it could help MOss a bit. LIke someone said earlier, they're going to struggle some in this new offense. Maybe mid to late season the rooks will hit their form & the O will come together.

I think the real question is what becomes of Santana & ARE in a year or two if and when Mix, Thomas & Kelly start to play well?

05-07-2008, 09:48 AM	#1
Stuck in TX Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Age: 39 Posts: 545	Re: What this all means for Moss? Moss is easy, jam him at the line and double team him. That has been the opponent's method since he came here and it has been successful. With a huge target in Kelly, and a quick, large target in Thomas, added with a true slot burner in ARE, there will not be enough CB's to hang with Moss. He will have a bounceback season to remember and I think he will have the opportunity to silence all of his critics for years to come. And speaking of the Green Bay game, Moss was injured during that game. If not for him we would not have had even 3 healthy receivers. He blew that game for us but his heart was there. With no O line and Green Bay's run stopping dynamics, we couldnt utilize Portis like we wanted to. We hung in there though and put up a fight IMO. __________________ We will miss you Sean. RIP 1983-2007 REMEMBER VT Go Hokies

05-07-2008, 09:48 AM	#2
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: What this all means for Moss? Honestly, I think our rookie WRs will shine initially when Moss is taking double coverage away from them... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-07-2008, 10:53 AM	#14
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: What this all means for Moss? I'm thinking in terms of relativity. I'm not saying they'll post 1200+ yards in receiving. I think they'll shine when it comes to comparing other rookie WRs next year. I think one of them will get over 800 yards receiving and a couple TDs. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-07-2008, 11:09 AM	#15
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: What this all means for Moss? Moss has been a great player for us overall. Of course he's been hurt & has a propensity to be so, but he's made a lot of big plays & has been a solid team guy. Top wr's are hard to come by, and he may not be a top 5 guy, he's close when healthy. He needs help & they just got him some. While I don't expect those guys to put up big #s in year 1, if they can have decent rookie years (30-40 catches maybe) then it could help MOss a bit. LIke someone said earlier, they're going to struggle some in this new offense. Maybe mid to late season the rooks will hit their form & the O will come together. I think the real question is what becomes of Santana & ARE in a year or two if and when Mix, Thomas & Kelly start to play well?

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