Clinton Portis on the JT Show

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Just people I've talked to have said that Zorn is treating veterans and rookies equally and that just doesn't work in the NFL. Veterans expect a different level of respect. Further, almost all the players don't like that he's been calling out the players on execution and seemingly taking no blame for the schemes. Additionally, some players say that Campbell has been blaming others in the locker room for his struggles. It's a bit of a mess right now mainly stemming from losing and the frustrations that go along with that.

Having a tight, cohesive locker room is one of (some would say the only one) Gibbs' traits that is sorely missed right now. But I think it's a passing thing that will improve.

Been saying this for months...
Re: Don't you think we are overreacting just a bit??

Back then people thought I was nuts.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Been saying this for months...
Re: Don't you think we are overreacting just a bit??

Back then people thought I was nuts.

Congrats to you sir, you picked up on something I didn't.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, I can tell you for a fact that the locker room is a bit of a mess right now. But look, this is the first real adversity Zorn has ever had to deal with as an NFL head coach. It would have been ridiculous to think he would never have to face this-a bad losing streak while massaging massive egos-but if we want to be truly committed to him and to buidling success for the long term than he needs to prove he can get through it.

This would've never happened if Gibbs was still around. Boy, I start missing Gibbs v.2.0 more and more every Sunday.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

This would've never happened if Gibbs was still around. Boy, I start missing Gibbs v.2.0 more and more every Sunday.

whatever man

no matter how good of a coach, you may see it int he media as being lovey dovey

but there WILL BE malcontent

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, I can tell you for a fact that the locker room is a bit of a mess right now. But look, this is the first real adversity Zorn has ever had to deal with as an NFL head coach. It would have been ridiculous to think he would never have to face this-a bad losing streak while massaging massive egos-but if we want to be truly committed to him and to buidling success for the long term than he needs to prove he can get through it.

Perfectly said.

[redsk1]

I gotta agree w/ Portis and that's why I started the thread about him being on the sideline.

There are plenty of players that don't practice when they are as banged up as he is. He's in the meetings. He knows whats going on.

Now, maybe he doesn't need to air it out the way he's doing but he is an honest guy. So, if he was asked the question, he answered it.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I pray that we have a Sgt. at Arms, someone like London Fletcher, who will tell Portis to watch his mouth and be the obedient soldier. Portis is tough, talented and a fan favorite, but sometimes he is insubordinate and is too eager to play the role of martyred malcontent. What good does it do to gripe in public or in the locker room? If players have a problem with things the coaches are doing, they should air the grievances through the appropriate channels and in the appropriate, respectful manner.

I love Portis and have defended him repeatedly, but he is out of line. He needs to understand his role and play it.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I pray that we have a Sgt. at Arms, someone like London Fletcher, who will tell Portis to watch his mouth and be the obedient soldier. Portis is tough, talented and a fan favorite, but sometimes he is insubordinate and is too eager to play the role of martyred malcontent. What good does it do to gripe in public or in the locker room? If players have a problem with things the coaches are doing, they should air the grievances through the appropriate channels and in the appropriate, respectful manner.

I love Portis and have defended him repeatedly, but he is out of line. He needs to understand his role and play it.

He does play the everybody is out to get me, martyred malcontent alot.

[tryfuhl]

man, just sitting back and observing this i have a few feelings

1) zorn may know what's up with a player's condition
2) if your lead player wants to play, let him
3) do we let the star player who usually shuts his damn mouth, but could become much more electric vocally talk... or should we have him retain his gibbs'esqueness?

i think that it's a good thing for portis to speak out

we have the one damn star of this team and of course he has frustrations...

i'm not nearly about to give up on zorn, but he probably has just as much clue as portis as to how to run this thing as of now

can't even imagine what it brings next season

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

And if players are tearing one another down in the locker room after just 4 losses, things are worse than I thought. Quitters and loser throw people under the bus, teammates do not. I wish Daniels was around to keep things in check.

[Dlyne8r]

While I don't think it's a good idea to air all this crap out through the media, CP has every right to be frustrated. The dude is a workhorse and has done most everything ever asked of him on the field. If he truly is as banged up as it's been reported, then God bless him for sucking it all up and at least trying to contribute game time. Yeah, it'd be great for him to practice, but if you're that wrecked, how can you expect him to make any real contribution for what is left of our season?

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Dlyne8r

While I don't think it's a good idea to air all this crap out through the media, CP has every right to be frustrated. The dude is a workhorse and has done most everything ever asked of him on the field. If he truly is as banged up as it's been reported, then God bless him for sucking it all up and at least trying to contribute game time. Yeah, it'd be great for him to practice, but if you're that wrecked, how can you expect him to make any real contribution for what is left of our season?

Did you watch the Zorn presser? He wasn't ripping Portis. He didn't say he was benched because he didn't practice. He said Betts was doing better in the passing game (basically), that they were behind and had to pass, that they were trying to get Portis healthy, etc. I know what Portis is referring to, the part where Zorn said that Portis was helping too much in pass pro and not getting into routes, but it takes a pretty thin skin to take that to the level that Portis did. He is a great player, but super high maintanence as well. Gibbs understood that (or accomodated that) and coddled Portis. Zorn is not. Now Portis is pouting. But it's BS. Zorn might be well advised to follow a more Gibbsian model in his pressers (the reporters hated it, but being tight lipped helps hold a locker room together) but that is not his style and I doubt he will pull back. But go watch the presser and see if you think Zorn's comments warranted a very Owens-like outburst by Clinton Portis.

Having said all that, much of the offensive struggles have to fall to Zorn. If your offense, that you implemented and call plays in, has scored fewer points than Detroit then execution is probably not the only problem. But Portis' comments are still way out of line.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Did you watch the Zorn presser? He wasn't ripping Portis. He didn't say he was benched because he didn't practice. He said Betts was doing better in the passing game (basically), that they were behind and had to pass, that they were trying to get Portis healthy, etc. I know what Portis is referring to, the part where Zorn said that Portis was helping too much in pass pro and not getting into routes, but it takes a pretty thin skin to take that to the level that Portis did. He is a great player, but super high maintanence as well. Gibbs understood that (or accomodated that) and coddled Portis. Zorn is not. Now Portis is pouting. But it's BS. Zorn might be well advised to follow a more Gibbsian model in his pressers (the reporters hated it, but being tight lipped helps hold a locker room together) but that is not his style and I doubt he will pull back. But go watch the presser and see if you think Zorn's comments warranted a very Owens-like outburst by Clinton Portis.

Having said all that, much of the offensive struggles have to fall to Zorn. If your offense, that you implemented and call plays in, has scored fewer points than Detroit then execution is probably not the only problem. But Portis' comments are still way out of line.

i could not have said it better myself.
nice post

[Dlyne8r]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Did you watch the Zorn presser? He wasn't ripping Portis. He didn't say he was benched because he didn't practice. He said Betts was doing better in the passing game (basically), that they were behind and had to pass, that they were trying to get Portis healthy, etc. I know what Portis is referring to, the part where Zorn said that Portis was helping too much in pass pro and not getting into routes, but it takes a pretty thin skin to take that to the level that Portis did. He is a great player, but super high maintanence as well. Gibbs understood that (or accomodated that) and coddled Portis. Zorn is not. Now Portis is pouting. But it's BS. Zorn might be well advised to follow a more Gibbsian model in his pressers (the reporters hated it, but being tight lipped helps hold a locker room together) but that is not his style and I doubt he will pull back. But go watch the presser and see if you think Zorn's comments warranted a very Owens-like outburst by Clinton Portis.

Having said all that, much of the offensive struggles have to fall to Zorn. If your offense, that you implemented and call plays in, has scored fewer points than Detroit then execution is probably not the only problem. But Portis' comments are still way out of line.

Unfortunately, no, I did not see the presser as I no longer subscribe to CSN here in the ATL (no thanks to our local economy), nor did I see it anywhere else. But, thanks for enlightening me on Zorn's reasoning. Look, even though I'm completely in the tank for CP, I'm painfully aware of his need to have his ego stroked and that he can be very high maintenance. However, sometimes it's impossible to keep everything pent up inside and you must vent. It's very likely that CP being so emotional is what gives him such great drive and determination. Yet, I do wish that he had not made his feelings known in the media as now it will become just another distraction.

[maroonandblack30]

ProFootballTalk.com - PORTIS NOT HAPPY WITH ZORN

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Portis needs to STFU. Zorn is the coach, he calls the shots. Period.

Stuff like this is why Portis rubs me the wrong way, 2nd time this year he has thrown teamates/coaches under the bus. He always gets a pass though.

Like previously said, this would never happen under Gibbs. Above all the Skins were family under Gibbs... even during the 5-11 season you got the sense that everyone was soldout for the team first concept.

Great point by a previous poster...."Quitters and losers start blaming others when things go wrong."