Portis Injuries

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I think this is the problem right here. I think Betts is a good back, he just can't get any chances with Portis wanting to get his numbers. Zorn wanted to play Betts in Baltimore and got trashed by Portis in the press because of it. I know some people hate to hear anything bad about Portis. He gives it his all when he's on the field. He's also thrives on attention and is a prima donna. These traits can co-exist in the same player.

Sort of makes him a fascinating player don't u think? Def not anything like TO as far as the prima donna complex but I'd say CP is more eccentric.

[Dblock804]

CP is tough. But how long can he take it. I liked that kid Mason in the preseason. Quick and could move east and west when needed. What about Rock? When will he get some rep's?

[Bullfrogjw]

Betts is a fumbler, but we can't get rid of him because we would loose too much money in dead cap.

[Skins4L]

Well when you carry it more times than anybody in the league... hes only a year behind LT... hes getting older... Thats all.
Thats why i was thinking draft a 3rd down change of pace back or maybe Sproles... Betts style of running is a watered down version of CP. Although im not a Betts hater.

He was getting hurt every play it seemed to me too... i knew why though... all those minor injuries are tough... ive played thru some in a couple different sports in HS. They hamper... and each one was bothered situationally for CP as he tried to play with them.

We just cant run him as often as we did this year and get away with it. Hes gonna need A LITTLE HELP... Zorns just make sure we have the right guy in situationally. Because CPs too good to be on the bench during impact situations.
STILL Portis is one of the greats today...and a great Skin. Period.
Hes not a concern to me at all.

[The Goat]

CP's injuries from this season don't seem serious at all, just needs rest to heal up. However, I think his high number of carries and the way he runs the ball just further justify the argument we need to quickly add top trench talent to the roster on the o-line. He needs better blocking up front as well as guys who will move their asses downfield so that CP isn't constantly gang-tackled by 4, 5, or 6 guys when he's gone more than 6 or 7 yards beyond the LOS. It's ridiculous how little help CP gets as compared to say LT in SD. My God, if LT had to suffer the same first i highly doubt he'd ever have broken milestones and second doubt he'd stay healthy more than a few games. Not crapping on LT here necessarily, just point out Portis' uncanny toughness and how important it is we take care of him.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by The Goat

CP's injuries from this season don't seem serious at all, just needs rest to heal up. However, I think his high number of carries and the way he runs the ball just further justify the argument we need to quickly add top trench talent to the roster on the o-line. He needs better blocking up front as well as guys who will move their asses downfield so that CP isn't constantly gang-tackled by 4, 5, or 6 guys when he's gone more than 6 or 7 yards beyond the LOS. It's ridiculous how little help CP gets as compared to say LT in SD. My God, if LT had to suffer the same first i highly doubt he'd ever have broken milestones and second doubt he'd stay healthy more than a few games. Not crapping on LT here necessarily, just point out Portis' uncanny toughness and how important it is we take care of him.

Agreed and additionally we need a two headed monster back there. The best teams in the league are getting it done with a 2 back system. If Portis goes 1500 for the season he'll be useless in the playoffs.

Zorn doesn't seem to trust Betts. Id like to see Rock get a real chance. What good will a good line do with Portis on the sidelines when we need him the most.

As far as his injuries. They are not serious but are chronic. His high ankle sprains date back to his days in Denver. So Im starting to question the neglect of our backs non involvement. I think this may come back on us.

I'd hate to see us finally start to gel and be short Portis. That would be frustrating.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Agreed and additionally we need a two headed monster back there. The best teams in the league are getting it done with a 2 back system. If Portis goes 1500 for the season he'll be useless in the playoffs.

Zorn doesn't seem to trust Betts. Id like to see Rock get a real chance. What good will a good line do with Portis on the sidelines when we need him the most.

As far as his injuries. They are not serious but are chronic. His high ankle sprains date back to his days in Denver. So Im starting to question the neglect of our backs non involvement. I think this may come back on us.

I'd hate to see us finally start to gel and be short Portis. That would be frustrating.

AND, we need to bringing up Portis replacement anyway as he won't play forever. Perhaps we could glean a diamond in the rough ala Denver, NE

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Hog1

AND, we need to bringing up Portis replacement anyway as he won't play forever. Perhaps we could glean a diamond in the rough ala Denver, NE

I would think they're trying to get some more picks this year for (among other reasons) a running back somewhere in the 4th or 5th round. They're not exactly young at RB

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I would think they're trying to get some more picks this year for (among other reasons) a running back somewhere in the 4th or 5th round. They're not exactly young at RB

If Zorn begins to trust Betts one could argue we have a guy who's still pretty fresh. I know he's like 29 but other than '06 he's had few carries.

... you're still right. We need a young guy learning the system and hungry to make a name, but when CP and Betts are pretty well locked up via cap and Rock is such a locker room guy and special teams stud... glad I don't have to make the call here.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Agreed and additionally we need a two headed monster back there. The best teams in the league are getting it done with a 2 back system. If Portis goes 1500 for the season he'll be useless in the playoffs.

Zorn doesn't seem to trust Betts. Id like to see Rock get a real chance. What good will a good line do with Portis on the sidelines when we need him the most.

As far as his injuries. They are not serious but are chronic. His high ankle sprains date back to his days in Denver. So Im starting to question the neglect of our backs non involvement. I think this may come back on us.

I'd hate to see us finally start to gel and be short Portis. That would be frustrating.

When Gibbs first came here he didn't seem to trust Betts either, then once he saw what he could do he was a big fan. I almost wonder if Zorn is in the same boat.

[The Goat]

Already posted this elsewhere but it applies:

I don't think any Skins' fan should get too hyped about Sproles. First, no way does SD let him go. LT seems to be breaking down and SD probably should have traded him and kept Turner: they won't make a similar mistake w/ another dynamite backfield threat.

Secondly, I'd venture to say Sproles wouldn't have much success here. I say that because our run-blocking, even at it's best, is nothing compared to SD. Our old fogies can push off the line a few yards when they're very fresh but rarely make blocks down field, which is why CP doesn't break the big ones anymore. Sure he can grit 7 or 8 yards w/ defenders battering him but there is a certain number of yards from the LOS where it's just CP facing several defenders and our lineman are nowhere in sight. At no time was this more evident than in SF, when I repeatedly saw the o-line give up on blocks/plays while CP was still on his feet. Heyer especially has a knack for giving up on plays, while Rabach/Thomas just don't seem to have what it takes to block DTs or really aggressive LBs. Not to get completely off subject but our line regressed so much this season to the point of looking lazy, slow and very incompetent IMHO. This is a very sad group at this point. Anyway, the whole point is Sproles would struggle mightily to break anything big w/ our line.

To the bigger debate of how to get more dynamic in our backfield, i don't know whether another/different RB is the answer. Again, speedsters and scat-backs just won't have success until we almost completely recycle the line. Have we forgotten that CP was the premier scat-back when we traded for him? To his extreme credit he's become a GD bruiser, but really it's what he had to do (to have success as a Skin). If anything, we should go the opposite direction of Sproles (until the line is completely recycled) and grab a great big bruiser. Honestly I'd hoped Betts would become this guy more each year, adding more bulk and strength to pound defenses whenever CP is out of the game (at least 10-10 carries). Betts is not that player I suppose. He's a Portis lite as someone said.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Already posted this elsewhere but it applies:

I don't think any Skins' fan should get too hyped about Sproles. First, no way does SD let him go. LT seems to be breaking down and SD probably should have traded him and kept Turner: they won't make a similar mistake w/ another dynamite backfield threat.

Secondly, I'd venture to say Sproles wouldn't have much success here. I say that because our run-blocking, even at it's best, is nothing compared to SD. Our old fogies can push off the line a few yards when they're very fresh but rarely make blocks down field, which is why CP doesn't break the big ones anymore. Sure he can grit 7 or 8 yards w/ defenders battering him but there is a certain number of yards from the LOS where it's just CP facing several defenders and our lineman are nowhere in sight. At no time was this more evident than in SF, when I repeatedly saw the o-line give up on blocks/plays while CP was still on his feet. Heyer especially has a knack for giving up on plays, while Rabach/Thomas just don't seem to have what it takes to block DTs or really aggressive LBs. Not to get completely off subject but our line regressed so much this season to the point of looking lazy, slow and very incompetent IMHO. This is a very sad group at this point. Anyway, the whole point is Sproles would struggle mightily to break anything big w/ our line.

To the bigger debate of how to get more dynamic in our backfield, i don't know whether another/different RB is the answer. Again, speedsters and scat-backs just won't have success until we almost completely recycle the line. Have we forgotten that CP was the premier scat-back when we traded for him? To his extreme credit he's become a GD bruiser, but really it's what he had to do (to have success as a Skin). If anything, we should go the opposite direction of Sproles (until the line is completely recycled) and grab a great big bruiser. Honestly I'd hoped Betts would become this guy more each year, adding more bulk and strength to pound defenses whenever CP is out of the game (at least 10-10 carries). Betts is not that player I suppose. He's a Portis lite as someone said.

I agree. After losing Turner they can't afford to let Sproles go too.

[Ruhskins]

If the complimentary back is not Betts or Rock, then it should be a solid player picked up in free agency, not some player with potential who is in a practice squad (Mason).

[44ever]

After looking at the injury report I noticed from 03 right up to 07 most of his injuries were soft tissue.

From 07 on he has began breaking down with more serious tendon and joint injuries including his back both times around Nov/Dec. The one that concerns me most is his recent knee injury involving the MCL.

I guess it reminds me of Stephen Davis. Maybe I'm just over thinking this. It just looks to me like he's starting to break down.

2 back system a must.

SI.com - NFL - Clinton*Portis Injuries

[hail_2_da_skins]

Ladell Betts production was down this year because of his knee injuries. I think he is a legitimate back. The Skins should use Betts and Cartwright more to elevate the load on Portis.