Campbell Comparables

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I haven't heard anyone say that Campbell did poorly against Atlanta; only that it's too little too late at this point.

That certainly is the sentiment at this point. I don't know that I would count him out entirely yet. If he plays well & the offense gets going (relatively speaking), it could make for a tough decision in the offseason. What if he plays like the 6-2 run of last year?

At this point it's highly likely that a qb is brought in via draft or free agency in 10, but that doesn't have to mean that JC is out. I agree that it's likely, but I could also see a new coach and/or GM keeping him here to compete for the job. The cba will have a lot to do w/it I think.

[SolidSnake84]

I have seen nothing out of Jason this year that says he is anything more than a backup QB, and i definatley don't see him staying here next year.

I do not think jason is a bad quarterback. But i don't think he is a starter because he lacks motivation and doesnt seem to be able to "fire up" the team. He will go somewhere and do well as a backup, ala Charlie Batch. Come in and play a game or 2 and the team at least has a chance....but he isn't the answer for 16 games..

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I have seen nothing out of Jason this year that says he is anything more than a backup QB, and i definatley don't see him staying here next year.

I do not think jason is a bad quarterback. But i don't think he is a starter because he lacks motivation and doesnt seem to be able to "fire up" the team. He will go somewhere and do well as a backup, ala Charlie Batch. Come in and play a game or 2 and the team at least has a chance....but he isn't the answer for 16 games..

Statements like that amaze me.

[redskinjim]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Statements like that amaze me.

wow you are amazingly uninformed why dont you look at cambells record he has NEVER taken a team to the playoffs but damn hes freaking great at throwing picks that the other team takes to the house!hes a bumb!

[ashvirtually]

Campbell is going to get the hell out of this schizophrenic and disjointed club, move on to a more disciplined and organized franchise, and prove to be a more than decent QB. The 'Skins have probably ruined him from ever reaching true elite status, but he is going to shine somewhere else that isn't the goddamn freak show we've been the past two seasons.

He'll join a host of other players that we let go of and who shined once they got the hell out of here.

I'm fairly certain of that based on nothing but my gut.

And if I were him, I couldn't get out of this circus fast enough.

[T.O.Killa]

Should'nt this be put into #'s don't lie.
Compare wins and losses. Compare redzone stats. Compare thrird down completion percentages. Look at touchdown numbers. Jason campbell is not a franchise quarterback. Lets start looking at QB prospects in the draft.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Should'nt this be put into #'s don't lie.
Compare wins and losses. Compare redzone stats. Compare thrird down completion percentages. Look at touchdown numbers. Jason campbell is not a franchise quarterback. Lets start looking at QB prospects in the draft.

Right, because a new QB will play much better behind this line.

IMO, if JC is willing to stay next year, I say keep him. He's certainly serviceable. Build the team around him, but not necessarily in that sense. If he's not the QB to lead the team to a SB, then draft a young guy in subsequent years. I don't think you're going to get anyone better than him in the draft next year, and at the same time you'd be wasting a pick that could get you an above average OL. It just doesn't make any sense to pick a QB next year when you have so many more pressing needs (that directly affect the QB's play!).

[diehardskin2982]

jc stats are very deceiving he makes the completions, but he throws to the check down reciever. the easy completion. Never the long ball or the big threat play.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Decided to start a new Campbell thread since the OP in the "Campbell's numbers don't lie" thread is now 6 weeks old, and no one is going to read through 1,000 posts.

Bill Barnwell at FO provides us this PFR query for Jason Campbell's season, based on the explosion of his sack rate. He compares Campbell's numbers to the 17 closest seasons in the last thirty years.

The link is here:

Player Season Finder Query Results | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Barnwell's analysis is here:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Jason Campbell's Sack Rate

The most interesting thing is the two closest seasons to the season Campbell is having now, out of every QB season in the last 30 years, were Ben Roethlisberger's worst two seasons. There's little doubt that Roethlisberger is seeing downfield right now a lot better than Campbell is, but I'm not sure that's always been the case.

Question is, exactly how did the Steelers get that offense to where they are right now? And how can the Redskins prevent this situation from finishing out as bad as it started.

I just hope that we haven't damaged JC and made him permanently gun shy like what happened to Carr.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I just hope that we haven't damaged JC and made him permanently gun shy like what happened to Carr.

You've inspired (sort of) my new sig.

Note that I'm not saying that new team can't be the 2010 Redskins. I just mean change in the most abstract sense.

And if he does have David Carr disease, well, a bunch of people are waiting in line to tell me "I told you so".

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I just hope that we haven't damaged JC and made him permanently gun shy like what happened to Carr.

Well if that is the case then he is not a winner or a QB that should be a starter. Never hear this stuff said about big Ben who by the way has been sacked 215 times in 5 yrs to JC's 91 and if you just look at the past three yrs JC has 84 and Ben 116.

[skinsfaninok]

Can we please stop talking about this guy... He won't be here next season so give it up!!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Decided to start a new Campbell thread since the OP in the "Campbell's numbers don't lie" thread is now 6 weeks old, and no one is going to read through 1,000 posts.

Bill Barnwell at FO provides us this PFR query for Jason Campbell's season, based on the explosion of his sack rate. He compares Campbell's numbers to the 17 closest seasons in the last thirty years.

The link is here:

Player Season Finder Query Results | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Barnwell's analysis is here:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Jason Campbell's Sack Rate

The most interesting thing is the two closest seasons to the season Campbell is having now, out of every QB season in the last 30 years, were Ben Roethlisberger's worst two seasons. There's little doubt that Roethlisberger is seeing downfield right now a lot better than Campbell is, but I'm not sure that's always been the case.

Question is, exactly how did the Steelers get that offense to where they are right now? And how can the Redskins prevent this situation from finishing out as bad as it started.

It's very simple. Ben R. is a better QB. Ben can extend plays and for every bad play he makes, he'll make two that can win the game. JC simply can't do what Ben does. But Ben's also got better wr's and plays in a better system.

[skinsfan69]

On a side note I think it's time for both parties to move on. I really wish JC well. He can play in the NFL if he's in the right offense and has the players around him. He's a high character stand up guy and hopefully he will find some stability w/ another team.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

On a side note I think it's time for both parties to move on. I really wish JC well. He can play in the NFL if he's in the right offense and has the players around him. He's a high character stand up guy and hopefully he will find some stability w/ another team.

Yeah give him the Hogs, and the 2000 Ravens defense or the 1985 Bears Defense and he should be able to guide us right to the playoffs.