How About Jermon Bushrod for a Second Rounder

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If we did go after him, I definitely would put him at RT. If you can't let your LT lock up one on one consistently with the top pass rushers in this league, you've got a problem.

I agree with your posts in this thread; Bushrod could even barely handle Freeney (with the foot injury) in the Super Bowl game.. I would prefer to spend the 2nd pick on Charles Brown or whoever else is available..

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The Saints line really didn't play all that well last year, I would say Brees and his ability to get the ball out quick was the main reason he wasn't sacked more.

yeah im not really sold on bushrod. the guy was a 6th or 7th round pick, got playing time b/c of injury and did a decent job. he is also a local kid to MD and i think he played at towson or somewhere close.

i wonder if people view him as being better than he is b/c he did better than expected for a plug-in a 6th or 7th round pick? or maybe also b/c the saints didnt face alot of adversity this year so, when your winning games, alot of criticism (man im having a rough day for spelling) is quieted.

quieted, is that even a word?

[Ruhskins]

How 'bout we just pick the best tackle in the draft with our #4?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

I agree with your posts in this thread; Bushrod could even barely handle Freeney (with the foot injury) in the Super Bowl game.. I would prefer to spend the 2nd pick on Charles Brown or whoever else is available..

In all fairness, getting beat by Freeney and Ware doesn't mean you are a bum. I seem to remember those guys beating Samuels at least once a game.

If I was to bet on it, I would think that the top pass rushers will make Brown, Okung, Davis and any other rookie look bad out of the gate.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

In all fairness, getting beat by Freeney and Ware doesn't mean you are a bum. I seem to remember those guys beating Samuels at least once a game.

If I was to bet on it, I would think that the top pass rushers will make Brown, Okung, Davis and any other rookie look bad out of the gate.

True true.. However, that's why I added the foot injury part.. If Freeney was healthy, then maybe it would be different story for me.. I just don't believe we should spend our 2nd pick on a LT who already showed he can't handle all pass rushers, right when we have an opportunity to draft a T who have lot of potentials to stop all (or most) pass rushers..

Although I can't help but wonder why Saints are trying to shopping him around? Why wouldn't they want to keep him as back-up, just in case if Jammall Brown or RT (I don't remember who) goes down?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

True true.. However, that's why I added the foot injury part.. If Freeney was healthy, then maybe it would be different story for me.. I just don't believe we should spend our 2nd pick on a LT who already showed he can't handle all pass rushers, right when we have an opportunity to draft a T who have lot of potentials to stop all (or most) pass rushers..

Although I can't help but wonder why Saints are trying to shopping him around? Why wouldn't they want to keep him as back-up, just in case if Jammall Brown or RT (I don't remember who) goes down?

I would rather keep the 2nd pick too.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

How 'bout we just pick the best tackle in the draft with our #4?

and draft some guys in the 5th or later and develop our own bushrods of the world.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Saints could still match to keep him...but No on giving up our 2nd for him. He's nothing special and unless he's gotten significantly stronger since his combine, his upper body numbers aren't good for a starting NFL OL.

[SBXVII]

I know I read it here somewhere but not sure who posted it from where.... but the article pretty much pointed out that M.Shanahan has had great success building his 1st ranked offensive lines through mid round draft choices. Perhaps it was the scheme, I don't know or the OL coach, but hopefully he can continue to do this. I'd say pass on throwing away a draft pick and usually I'm the one saying lets get him cause he's a proven player. Plus I think he came out of King George VA. if its the same LT I'm thinking of. He did have trouble with Ware but that could be solved with a couple of chip blocks by the RB or Ware getting beat when he makes that rush.

The team has a camp coming up prior to the draft so the coach's will know what they have in OL and what they don't. Like Levi, although he was not impressive he made a statement that was very telling just after he signed with us .... he said he has not utilized Bugels style of man-to-man since his college days. Which means what? was he more of a zone blocker? Levi might do better under Shanahan's zone blocking since his whole career he ran that scheme. I'm guessing.

I think if there is not outstanding LT available in FA I'd look to pick up a decent player to fill the RT spot. Draft a QB at #4, and pick up the LT in the second round. Look at a FS in the 4th round (unless we pick someone up in FA), and possibly OL the rest of the way and bring in a lot of UFA OL.

We have many holes to fill and I guess it depends on what the team decides to do? I'm not advocating it but if they were to try to the big splash again:

Peppers-DE/LB
Sproles-RB
Pashos(49ers OL)-OL

Then look to pick up a FS some of our problems would be solved. We needed LB, RB, FS, a whole mess of OL, and a more accurate QB. The QB could be addressed in the draft as well as OL and FS. I still think they will try to pick up a big named WR also. As most of you have said I could see Walter of the Texans since he knows the scheme or Bryant of Tampa since the K.Shanahan would be familiar with him or T.O. since M.Shanahan tried to pick him up once before, and even though I'd rather have the other two my spidey senses are telling me T.O. is on their list since it would give our young WR another year under their belt, T.O. could help McCardell coach them up for next year, and he most likely would be cheaper then the other two.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I know I read it here somewhere but not sure who posted it from where.... but the article pretty much pointed out that M.Shanahan has had great success building his 1st ranked offensive lines through mid round draft choices. Perhaps it was the scheme, I don't know or the OL coach, but hopefully he can continue to do this. I'd say pass on throwing away a draft pick and usually I'm the one saying lets get him cause he's a proven player. Plus I think he came out of King George VA. if its the same LT I'm thinking of. He did have trouble with Ware but that could be solved with a couple of chip blocks by the RB or Ware getting beat when he makes that rush.

After having the piece of shit line we had in '09 and '08, I don't want to depend on JUST this to build the offensive line. Our franchise tackle (whom we picked up in the first round) is retiring, Randy Thomas should retire, Heyer is serviceable (although some people have a more negative opinion about him), and honestly, I don't know what to make of Rabach. The team seems to be ok with him, but I'm not sold on him.

Picking up a LT in the top 10 of the draft is not throwing a pick away. Many football pundits typically put QB and LT as 1a and 1b in the positions that a team should pick in the top 10/top 5. I know all won't be lost if we pick up a QB at #4, but also all won't be lost if we pick up a franchise tackle at #4 as well.

I know that a team should consider a QB if there's a special talent and having the opportunity to take a franchise QB. But to me, it is not like Jason Campbell was putting up JaMarcus Russell's numbers last season (and NO, I'm not making an argument for Campbell so calm down JC haters). However, our offensive line was the JaMarcus Russell of offensive lines.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Saints could still match to keep him...but No on giving up our 2nd for him. He's nothing special and unless he's gotten significantly stronger since his combine, his upper body numbers aren't good for a starting NFL OL.

I would assume he has gotten significantly stronger. He came from Towson for God sakes,and was a forth rounder. They saw some raw talent to pick him that high. Freeney and Ware are one and two best pass rushers in the league. I don't care if Freeney was playing with an amputated leg, he is a beast. When ever players like that play in a game like the super bowl they do well. thats why they are all pro's. All I am saying, is if he can play LT, we should take him.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Buster

Great pickup after we draft Okung at #4.

We need to draft o-linemen early AND often and pick up any decent FAs. After last season's disaster, there is no such thing as too many linemen.

And 2008. When it comes to oline men the more merrier

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The Saints line really didn't play all that well last year, I would say Brees and his ability to get the ball out quick was the main reason he wasn't sacked more.

Whats this? A QB making his O-Line look better then it really is? You don't say.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Whats this? A QB making his O-Line look better then it really is? You don't say.

The top tier guys can do that. Trouble is there's only a handful of those guys. The rest of the league needs a good line.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Whats this? A QB making his O-Line look better then it really is? You don't say.

Yes, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning will make their O-Line look better....any chance they are available next year?