sam bradford

[skinsfaninok]

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[30gut]

C-Jason Brown
LT-Smith
RT-Rogers Saffold

RB-Stephen Jackson

Plus Pat Shurmur at OC guiding a young QB

Then you also have to look at Colt McCoy also he's playing quite well in his limited starts

[skinster]

Originally Posted by 30gut

C-Jason Brown
LT-Smith
RT-Rogers Saffold

RB-Stephen Jackson

Plus Pat Shurmur at OC guiding a young QB

Then you also have to look at Colt McCoy also he's playing quite well in his limited starts

Roger saffold is a rookie 2nd round pick

Stephen Jackson is having a terrible year...the rams rushing attack averages 3.8 yards per rush, and has 7 total tds.

Who is pat shurmur? I googled him and on the first page there is a movement to get him fired.

Lets not get carried away on colt mccoy...he had 3 tds in 5 starts, and averages under 200 yards per game.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinster

Roger saffold is a rookie 2nd round pick

And he's a key member of a good OL.

Originally Posted by skinster

Stephen Jackson is having a terrible year...the rams rushing attack averages 3.8 yards per rush, and has 7 total tds.

Are you trying to say that Stephen Jackson isn't a good RB?

Who is pat shurmur? I googled him and on the first page there is a movement to get him fired.

You don't know who he is but you're ready to claim he's not good b/c its suits you're point? Wow that's good logic.

Lets not get carried away on colt mccoy...he had 3 tds in 5 starts, and averages under 200 yards per game.

By the same token lets not get carried away w/ Bradord when McCoy is also having success w/ a higher QB rating (against tougher competition).

[skinster]

Originally Posted by 30gut

And he's a key member of a good OL.

Are you trying to say that Stephen Jackson isn't a good RB?

You don't know who he is but you're ready to claim he's not good b/c its suits you're point? Wow that's good logic.

By the same token lets not get carried away w/ Bradord when McCoy is also having success w/ a higher QB rating (against tougher competition).

Not sure how key of a member Saffold is, and I'm not sure how good the O-line is. Lets get real, zero of us watch the rams games enough to know how good saffold is doing. I know I will get jumped on for saying this, but I do think it is reasonable to say he is not ideal just based on the fact that he is a rookie second rounder.

Yes, I am saying that Steven Jackson is not doing well, which is not helping bradford at all. And the other RB's are doing even worse.

I'm not saying that the oc is bad because I do not know if he is. I'm just saying that the fact that rams fans are calling for his job is indicative that he is clearly not the shining star that would cause bradfords success.

Lets get real, nobody in their right mind thinks McCoy is even close to Bradford. Bradford is carrying his team and putting up respectable numbers with nobody. I really don't care what McCoy's passer rating is when he has a 1:1 td to int ratio, 3 tds in 5 starts, and averages under 200 yards a game. Also, McCoy greatly benefits from Hillis in the same way that Ryan and Flacco benefited from their rushing attacks back in 2008. Before you jump to conclusions, I am not saying McCoy is bad, but IMO he has not impressed yet, and is not even comparable to bradford.

[30gut]

Someone is gaga for Bradford and won't hear of anything to the contrary

[NYCSkin]

Originally Posted by skinster

Not sure how key of a member Saffold is, and I'm not sure how good the O-line is. Lets get real, zero of us watch the rams games enough to know how good saffold is doing. I know I will get jumped on for saying this, but I do think it is reasonable to say he is not ideal just based on the fact that he is a rookie second rounder.

Yes, I am saying that Steven Jackson is not doing well, which is not helping bradford at all. And the other RB's are doing even worse.

I'm not saying that the oc is bad because I do not know if he is. I'm just saying that the fact that rams fans are calling for his job is indicative that he is clearly not the shining star that would cause bradfords success.

Lets get real, nobody in their right mind thinks McCoy is even close to Bradford. Bradford is carrying his team and putting up respectable numbers with nobody. I really don't care what McCoy's passer rating is when he has a 1:1 td to int ratio, 3 tds in 5 starts, and averages under 200 yards a game. Also, McCoy greatly benefits from Hillis in the same way that Ryan and Flacco benefited from their rushing attacks back in 2008. Before you jump to conclusions, I am not saying McCoy is bad, but IMO he has not impressed yet, and is not even comparable to bradford.

Allow me to be the one to jump first...

Saffold has given up only two sacks this year as a rookie LT.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinster

He has no support on offense whatsoever. The rams arguably had the worst receiving corp in the league BEFORE 3 of his top 4 receivers got placed on IR. He has a second round rookie protecting his weak side, and a 30 year old career backup guard starting on his strong side (he has. He is not getting support from a running game that averages 3.8 yards per carry and only has 7 tds. And he has no tight end.

I disagree he has no healthy WRs but imo he does have the two most important factors for a young QB: a good OL and good coaching.
Stehpen Jackson is consider by most savvy NFL fan's one if the best RB in the league who BTW already has a 1,000+yards @ 3.9 ypc.
He has 2 TEs but they aren't 'name' TEs but they're producing at a high level.

Originally Posted by skinster

Not sure how key of a member Saffold is, and I'm not sure how good the O-line is. Lets get real, zero of us watch the rams games enough to know how good saffold is doing. I know I will get jumped on for saying this, but I do think it is reasonable to say he is not ideal just based on the fact that he is a rookie second rounder.

Speak for yourself my friend i watch a lot of football.
Sometimes at a bar sometimes opn RZ sometimes i even watch the NFL package 30 minute re-caps.
Saffold is playing well and the Rams have a good OL.

Yes, I am saying that Steven Jackson is not doing well, which is not helping bradford at all. And the other RB's are doing even worse.

1,000+yards 3.9 ypc is not doing well?

I'm not saying that the oc is bad because I do not know if he is. I'm just saying that the fact that rams fans are calling for his job is indicative that he is clearly not the shining star that would cause bradfords success.

How can you argue like this? Its not logical.
You don't know but you're gonna assume he's not doing a good job b/c somewhere that you don't quote claims Shurmur should be fired?
If you ask me nicely i'll tell you about Shurmur, but he has designed a nice offense predicated on Bradford making easy reads and getting the ball out quick.

Lets get real, nobody in their right mind thinks McCoy is even close to Bradford. Bradford is carrying his team and putting up respectable numbers with nobody. I really don't care what McCoy's passer rating is when he has a 1:1 td to int ratio, 3 tds in 5 starts, and averages under 200 yards a game. Also, McCoy greatly benefits from Hillis in the same way that Ryan and Flacco benefited from their rushing attacks back in 2008. Before you jump to conclusions, I am not saying McCoy is bad, but IMO he has not impressed yet, and is not even comparable to bradford.

I'll get back to this one^^

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinster

Lets get real, nobody in their right mind thinks McCoy is even close to Bradford.

Only time will answer this question.
But there are some former coaches turned analyst that thought very highly of and McCoy and one who claimed that McCoy was the most pro-ready of the QBs to some out last year.

Bradford is carrying his team and putting up respectable numbers with nobody.

Finally we agree.

I really don't care what McCoy's passer rating is when he has a 1:1 td to int ratio, 3 tds in 5 starts, and averages under 200 yards a game.

How can argue with this logic when you flat out dismiss one of the main metric used to judge QB performance?

Also, McCoy greatly benefits from Hillis

Stephen Jackson actually gives Bradford more yards per game then Hillis does for the Browns: 83.2 ypg vs 82.3 ypg
NFL Stats: by Player Category

IMO he has not impressed yet, and is not even comparable to bradford.

Of course you're not impressed by McCoy (for one you've probably never watched him play) b/c in your mind it would probably take away from Bradford's performance.
But, if you were to take an honest look at McCoy's 1st starts even statistically w/o watching the games you can see he's gone up against against some pretty good defenses like the Steelers and Jets defense that gives established NFL QBs fits he's played well.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinster

Lets get real, nobody in their right mind thinks McCoy is even close to Bradford. Bradford is carrying his team and putting up respectable numbers with nobody. I really don't care what McCoy's passer rating is when he has a 1:1 td to int ratio, 3 tds in 5 starts, and averages under 200 yards a game. Also, McCoy greatly benefits from Hillis in the same way that Ryan and Flacco benefited from their rushing attacks back in 2008. Before you jump to conclusions, I am not saying McCoy is bad, but IMO he has not impressed yet, and is not even comparable to bradford.

Just thought I'd pass along that both Football Outsiders and ESPN's new QBR have Colt McCoy's rookie season ahead or Sam Bradford.

So you can add them to the list of people not in their right minds.

[SirClintonPortis]

I'm pretty sure Jason Smith is their right tackle and Saffold their left tackle.

[12thMan]

Heard a stat the other day, if things hold up, 10 of the 12 QBs in the playoffs were first rounders, with the exception of Drew Brees (I believe the first pick in the 2nd round) and Tom Brady.

Although there are a fair share of scrubs that haven't panned out, there's something to be said about drafting a QB with your first pick.

[SBXVII]

Dan Marino was good also.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Dan Marino was good also.

yea i figured there was probably a rook that had a better year than bradford, that's why I said "that has been drafted in my lifetime (I'm 21)" to cover ignorant my ass. Marino's numbers are unreal. I really hate how superbowls define the great qb's because from what I understand, marino had no talent around him and had no defenses to work with. If I had to guess marino was probably the best qb ever by doing so much with so little, but I can't say that with conviction.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinster

yea i figured there was probably a rook that had a better year than bradford, that's why I said "that has been drafted in my lifetime (I'm 21)" to cover ignorant my ass. Marino's numbers are unreal. I really hate how superbowls define the great qb's because from what I understand, marino had no talent around him and had no defenses to work with. If I had to guess marino was probably the best qb ever by doing so much with so little, but I can't say that with conviction.

Nice comment. My original comment was supposed to be somewhat sarcastic in nature meaning Bradford could be awsome but had we drafted him and gave him the "lack of talented OL" we have now .... we probably wouldn't be talking about him and in the end people would be talking about him like Marino.

I won't lie... I was one who thought we should move up and get him but I can imagine what the Rams wanted for their spot.