Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed

[onlydarksets]

BTW, did anyone read this article in the Post about Thomas saying Moss is going to be in peak shape? My favorite line:

Despite the voluntary nature of these workouts, numerous players said they consider it part of their job responsibilities to be here. As Pro Bowl linebacker Marcus Washington put it: "It's pretty voluntary, like if your wife or girlfriend tells you . . . [not to] get her nothing for her birthday, and then if you don't come home with a present, you know you're in trouble. It's kind of like that."

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

BTW, did anyone read this article in the Post about Thomas saying Moss is going to be in peak shape? My favorite line:

http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=5783

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Feel feel to disagree with me, but working out at the U is NOT a bad thing. Its not good for team spirit, but the fact of the matter is they are NOT practicing at redskins park right now. They are NOT running plays. They are lifting weights as a team. He is probably getting more practice in Miami then if he was at Redskins park.

They're not running through plays like they do in camp like in 7 on 7s, but still, this is a great time for Ramsey to work with the WRs to establish some chemistry and get a feel for one another.

There's still plenty of official camps and practices ahead, it would just be nice if they could be getting a head start on things.

I agree it's not critical for them to be in DC right now, but in the spirit of "team", they should be there. Otherwise don't show up at your introductory press conference like Moss did and tell us how you're such a team guy.

[memphisskin]

I agree Matty, Moss saying he's a team guy doesn't jibe with him missing the first voluntary camp. And I think he should be there and if I was in his shoes I would be there.

But come January we will not even remember that Moss missed the first voluntary workout. Plus it's a precautionary measure, until he signs the new deal that the Skins have already all but promised him I wouldn't expect him to show up for anything voluntary. If anything it's our fault for not A) negotiating the new deal before we made the deal and B) promising him a new deal in the first place.

I don't think there will be any chemistry issues, it's not like the voluntary camps helped Brunell out last year.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

They're not running through plays like they do in camp like in 7 on 7s, but still, this is a great time for Ramsey to work with the WRs to establish some chemistry and get a feel for one another.

There's still plenty of official camps and practices ahead, it would just be nice if they could be getting a head start on things.

I agree it's not critical for them to be in DC right now, but in the spirit of "team", they should be there. Otherwise don't show up at your introductory press conference like Moss did and tell us how you're such a team guy.

A team guy as long as the money is right?

[diehardskin2982]

I don't care if ST is at the U training as long as he's gets better. Moss disturbes me not being there, becuase Ramsey needs to get used to throwing the ball to him. As for the parting, its not like there isn't 20 or so clubs here in DC that they can visit.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Ok you are right on about the title of the post, but does that mean that it is true? Maybe if the title had be "Sean Taylor IS studing Ed Reed" then maybe I would have ben led to believe that it was true.

Also is that how you read posts on here only by the title and not what the poster wrote?

Look, I'm not here to argue semantics with you. I'm just saying that the prior poster made a valid point about this thread. Here we are discussing ST studying Ed Reed as if that's what's actually going on. For all we really know, ST could be lifting weights in his basement with S. Moss. For all we know ST could be boogie boarding in the Atlantic. But the fact that we're all here debating whether it is good for ST to be studying with Ed Reed seems to lend credence to the fact that some people are looking at the this thread and thinking that we are debating something that is actually happening. So obviously the title of the post has caused some confusion.

And in answer to your question: Yes, all I do is read the title of the posts and not what the poster wrote. Yes, that's exactly what I do. So far it appears that 20 people all have exactly the same thing to say; that being "Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed." Yah, valid question.
Don't be a smartass unless you want me to treat you in kind. All I was doing was supporting some else who I thought made a valid point that you refuted directly. I thought that was allowed on this site. Isn't that the point of a chat room? To discuss?

[jdlea]

I think everyone on this board can agree that Warren Sapp was a very good football player at one time. I think he was one of the best DE in the league up until last a few seasons ago. He said that up until about the last 2 years he was in Tampa he showed up to 0 voluntary workouts. None. Never.

I just don't see it as that big of a deal. He was still a leader on that team. He was still a great player between the lines. Despite all of the talk, he could get it done and he lead his team. I don't think players missing voluntary is a big deal. However, I do agree with the consensus that they should be there.

[celts32]

There is no way to make a positive out of ST not being at Redskins park. I don't think it will hurt their defense much if at all, but he still should be there. I hate all these Miami guys. You can't turn your back on them becasue they have talent, but I can't stand how they all think there is a seperate set of rules for them.

Moss not being there is the bigger problem. He needs every minute he can get working with Ramsey.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by celts32

There is no way to make a positive out of ST not being at Redskins park. I don't think it will hurt their defense much if at all, but he still should be there. I hate all these Miami guys. You can't turn your back on them becasue they have talent, but I can't stand how they all think there is a seperate set of rules for them.

Moss not being there is the bigger problem. He needs every minute he can get working with Ramsey.

Totally agree.

[Drift Reality]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I think everyone on this board can agree that Warren Sapp was a very good football player at one time. I think he was one of the best DE in the league up until last a few seasons ago. He said that up until about the last 2 years he was in Tampa he showed up to 0 voluntary workouts. None. Never.

I just don't see it as that big of a deal. He was still a leader on that team. He was still a great player between the lines. Despite all of the talk, he could get it done and he lead his team. I don't think players missing voluntary is a big deal. However, I do agree with the consensus that they should be there.

With all due respect, Sapp was a leader on the team, but I think more of a vocal leader than anything - that's why he is not with Tampa anymore. To me, he was more of a self-promoting loudmouth than anything else.

Also, the last time he did anything was four years ago - in 2000, when he had 16.5 sacks. The four years since then, his sack totals have gone: 6, 7.5, 5, 2.5.

Maybe if he went to more workouts and spent less time eating, he would have sustained himself better.

[Drift Reality]

As a follow-up point, I think position is another key point here.

Free safety is a position where reads and unity are more important than at d-line; same goes for WR - these guys need to work on the cerebral aspects of the game, which isn't what is going on down in Miami.

[SantanaMan]

Regardless of how/why/what Sean Taylor is doing in Miami, I think it is imperitive that he is at Redskin Park with the rest of the guys.

The "voluntary" workouts are voluntary in name only, no matter what he is doing, he won't be building the camaraderie that you build up with going through workouts/camps with your fellow players. The players build trust and respect for each other when they see how hard each other is working towards the teams goal, if you think him being missing will not affect peoples views on him then you are wrong - there will become the whole "we're here bustin' our ass while he is down in Miami, whats up with that!" scenario.

CP is from Thug U (Miami), yet he is at the workouts, showing remarkable leadership considering it is only his 2nd year with the Skins - maybe he shoudl give ST a call and tell him to haul ass up here!

Sean Taylor has a good contract, be shouldn't be trying to hold out for a new one after 1 year, if he had been a Pro Bowler or whatever then ok, but not right now.

Santana Moss is also making a terrible mistake in not being here, a "team guy", a "Redskins kinda guy" is not one that decides to skip workouts or holdout, especially when you haven't yet even met a lot of your teammates!
He'll get his deal, so why risk your development with the team by holding out like this!

[wolfeskins]

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]as for the parting, its not like there isn't 20 or so clubs here in DC that they can visit.





yea, partying in dc is prolly just as fun as partying in miami :smashfrea

both of those little pricks should be with the team. taylor is really starting to piss me off and moss is starting out the wrong way.

[SKINSnCANES]

relax you guys. Do you really think that two weeks of lifting weights is going to make or break this season. This is getting blown out of proportion. Its not like he said he doesnt want to work out and just wants to sit at home and get fat. He is working out, he is doing his necessary training. Now, if either of them miss practices then start to bitch. But this istn that big of a deal