Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[NC_Skins]

[KI Skins Fan]

From John Keim of ESPN:

"One thought from the multiple NFL people I communicated with over the weekend (scouts, executives, former executives and players) was unanimous: Quarterbacks do not improve their pocket presence and you can't win if they don't have any. And when you’re in your fourth training camp and still struggle in this area? Not good. It’s not going to change and if we’re seeing it – or other football people around the league are seeing it -- you can bank on it that the Redskins see it as well."

"The Redskins were genuinely encouraged by some early signs -- I saw and heard the positives. But it can be difficult to get a good read on pocket presence in practice. You’re in shorts and the rushers pull up. In games, it’s a different speed and flaws are magnified."

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

From John Keim of ESPN:

"One thought from the multiple NFL people I communicated with over the weekend (scouts, executives, former executives and players) was unanimous: Quarterbacks do not improve their pocket presence and you can't win if they don't have any. And when you’re in your fourth training camp and still struggle in this area? Not good. It’s not going to change and if we’re seeing it – or other football people around the league are seeing it -- you can bank on it that the Redskins see it as well."

"The Redskins were genuinely encouraged by some early signs -- I saw and heard the positives. But it can be difficult to get a good read on pocket presence in practice. You’re in shorts and the rushers pull up. In games, it’s a different speed and flaws are magnified."

Note to front office, never draft a gimmick, spread, read option QB again. We mortgaged the future of a franchise on an athlete at QB, not a QB. Effing Danny Boy and Bruce.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

^^^^Do you realize that video is from 2013?

SMH even when shown video of Griffin actually running R/O the perception that he won't/refuses/doesn't want to....persists.

Why people choose to believe Mike S revisionist history is beyond me.

Good point on that being from 2013 but doesnt change the fact that he's still not that good,looks like he's regressed from 2013.
I dont think its revisionist history on Mike S.In that training camp and all off season the talk was on Griff becoming more of a pocket passer,yes he still ran the read option that yr but not near as much.I dont think anyones ever said they didnt run it anymore,if they did they dont know what theyre talking about.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Note to front office, never draft a gimmick, spread, read option QB again. We mortgaged the future of a franchise on an athlete at QB, not a QB. Effing Danny Boy and Bruce.

I TOLD YOU ALL SO!


Yeah. I went there. Let me have this.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I TOLD YOU ALL SO!

I wanted him.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I TOLD YOU ALL SO!


Yeah. I went there. Let me have this.

Yes you did. This is not a competition, get over it.

[hutch17]

I was a long time supporter and am finally off the train, I really think that like Spurrier did to Ramsey and Campbell, Shanahan's unwillingness to stand up to Snyder/Griffin and keep him from coming back his rookie season has broken him and he is done.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

From John Keim of ESPN:



"One thought from the multiple NFL people I communicated with over the weekend (scouts, executives, former executives and players) was unanimous: Quarterbacks do not improve their pocket presence and you can't win if they don't have any. And when you’re in your fourth training camp and still struggle in this area? Not good. It’s not going to change and if we’re seeing it – or other football people around the league are seeing it -- you can bank on it that the Redskins see it as well."



"The Redskins were genuinely encouraged by some early signs -- I saw and heard the positives. But it can be difficult to get a good read on pocket presence in practice. You’re in shorts and the rushers pull up. In games, it’s a different speed and flaws are magnified."

Said this two years ago. This is not something you learn. You either have it or you do not.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Note to front office, never draft a gimmick, spread, read option QB again. We mortgaged the future of a franchise on an athlete at QB, not a QB. Effing Danny Boy and Bruce.

Let's go with the thinking that Griffin is a complete bust for a second. I still hold out hope that he can get better, but the pocket presence problem is definitely a real issue.

But assuming he craps out on this last year of his rookie contract, let's talk about how much future we've actually mortgaged. It's important to think of it this way, putting perspective into just how much we gave up.

In 2012 we gave up a 1st and a 2nd rounder, those players would be finishing their rookie contracts this year. So in 2016, to still have them, we'd have to pay them. They'd take up cap space, and with us fairly close to maxed out on cap space at the moment, that means we'd have to say goodbye to other players, or we would have foregone an acquisition or two this past season, like Culliver perhaps. All this is to say that the value of the 2012 picks is now in the rear view mirror. We would still have those players available to extend to a 2nd contract, but that costs cap space, meaning it pushes someone out.

So I look at the mortgage taken out on the 2012 draft picks as paid off after this season.

Then in 2013 we gave up a 1st rounder. Same logic, that player would finish his rookie contract in 2016. So in 2017 it takes cap space, meaning one less free agent we can acquire. So the mortgage on that 2013 pick will be paid off after 2016.

And the 2014 1st rounder, that mortgage is paid off after 2017.

So yeah you give up a lot to get Griffin and take a shot. But it's not like we're set back for 10 years like everyone loves to say, as a soundbyte. Entering 2018 the Griffin trade will be completely in the rear view mirror, it's just a matter of whether we're smart enough to deploy our resources wisely to put together a successful team.

[30gut]

In response to Kiem's article:

Lol, so now the narrative is that Griffin doesn't have pocket presence and its something that can't be improved?

Rolls eyes.

I call BS. It's all moot b/c I have long believed this marriage is gonna end soon.

But this narrative doesn't past the smell test. Griffin's 'lack of pocket presence' doesn't appear to be a cause of his struggles rather a symptom of his struggles with the offense.

No one every pointed to Griffin's pocket presence as an issue until he started struggling with the offense.

So my response to this latest narrative is (if you're gonna bench the kid just do it, let's end this bizzare spectacle where we pretend the HC supports Griffin.) My response is that Griffin had pocket presence and so IF he has lost it can be regained.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I wanted him.

I wanted him so bad. Remember praying that the Colts did not call his name!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Lol, so now the narrative is that Griffin doesn't have pocket presence and its something that can't be improved?



Rolls eyes.



I call BS. It's all moot b/c I have long believed this marriage is gonna end soon.



But this narrative doesn't past the smell test. Griffin's 'lack of pocket presence' doesn't appear to be a cause of his struggles rather a symptom of his struggles with the offense.



No one every pointed to Griffin's pocket presence as an issue until he started struggling with the offense.



So my response to this latest narrative is (if you're gonna bench the kid just do it, let's end this bizzare spectacle where we pretend the HC supports Griffin.) My response is that Griffin had pocket presence and so IF he has lost it can be regained.

But pocket presence was not a big issue when he was running all over the place making people look silly. However as many people pointed out at the time (i was not one of them and not claiming to be one) he was going to get injured time and time again playing like that. It was only a matter of time before he had to adapt - and he does not have the natural ability or "talent" to do so. Sad but very very true. In response to your point about Griff having had the pocket presence in 2012. I dont believe he did. I believe though that it was masked by the playcalling. But that was like putting a band aid on a severe flesh wound.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Let's go with the thinking that Griffin is a complete bust for a second. I still hold out hope that he can get better, but the pocket presence problem is definitely a real issue.

But assuming he craps out on this last year of his rookie contract, let's talk about how much future we've actually mortgaged. It's important to think of it this way, putting perspective into just how much we gave up.

In 2012 we gave up a 1st and a 2nd rounder, those players would be finishing their rookie contracts this year. So in 2016, to still have them, we'd have to pay them. They'd take up cap space, and with us fairly close to maxed out on cap space at the moment, that means we'd have to say goodbye to other players, or we would have foregone an acquisition or two this past season, like Culliver perhaps. All this is to say that the value of the 2012 picks is now in the rear view mirror. We would still have those players available to extend to a 2nd contract, but that costs cap space, meaning it pushes someone out.

So I look at the mortgage taken out on the 2012 draft picks as paid off after this season.

Then in 2013 we gave up a 1st rounder. Same logic, that player would finish his rookie contract in 2016. So in 2017 it takes cap space, meaning one less free agent we can acquire. So the mortgage on that 2013 pick will be paid off after 2016.

And the 2014 1st rounder, that mortgage is paid off after 2017.

So yeah you give up a lot to get Griffin and take a shot. But it's not like we're set back for 10 years like everyone loves to say, as a soundbyte. Entering 2018 the Griffin trade will be completely in the rear view mirror, it's just a matter of whether we're smart enough to deploy our resources wisely to put together a successful team.

I dont think so much its 10 years...but when you reduce chances to get impact, franchise-changing players its lousy. Especially when you got absolute dip shits like Bruce Allen and Danny Snyder wanting RG3 over your Head Coach. Its called a circus, our front office was a joke even after Vinny. Thats been the one constant

[punch it in]