Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[KI Skins Fan]

From John Keim of ESPN:

"One thought from the multiple NFL people I communicated with over the weekend (scouts, executives, former executives and players) was unanimous: Quarterbacks do not improve their pocket presence and you can't win if they don't have any. And when you’re in your fourth training camp and still struggle in this area? Not good. It’s not going to change and if we’re seeing it – or other football people around the league are seeing it -- you can bank on it that the Redskins see it as well."

"The Redskins were genuinely encouraged by some early signs -- I saw and heard the positives. But it can be difficult to get a good read on pocket presence in practice. You’re in shorts and the rushers pull up. In games, it’s a different speed and flaws are magnified."

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

From John Keim of ESPN:

"One thought from the multiple NFL people I communicated with over the weekend (scouts, executives, former executives and players) was unanimous: Quarterbacks do not improve their pocket presence and you can't win if they don't have any. And when you’re in your fourth training camp and still struggle in this area? Not good. It’s not going to change and if we’re seeing it – or other football people around the league are seeing it -- you can bank on it that the Redskins see it as well."

"The Redskins were genuinely encouraged by some early signs -- I saw and heard the positives. But it can be difficult to get a good read on pocket presence in practice. You’re in shorts and the rushers pull up. In games, it’s a different speed and flaws are magnified."

Note to front office, never draft a gimmick, spread, read option QB again. We mortgaged the future of a franchise on an athlete at QB, not a QB. Effing Danny Boy and Bruce.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Note to front office, never draft a gimmick, spread, read option QB again. We mortgaged the future of a franchise on an athlete at QB, not a QB. Effing Danny Boy and Bruce.

I TOLD YOU ALL SO!


Yeah. I went there. Let me have this.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I TOLD YOU ALL SO!

I wanted him.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I wanted him.

I wanted him so bad. Remember praying that the Colts did not call his name!

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I wanted him so bad. Remember praying that the Colts did not call his name!

Last week I remember thinking how badly I wish we had Luck now.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Last week I remember thinking how badly I wish we had Luck now.

We were so close to having him and Rodgers.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I TOLD YOU ALL SO!


Yeah. I went there. Let me have this.

Yes you did. This is not a competition, get over it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I TOLD YOU ALL SO!


Yeah. I went there. Let me have this.

Yeah right. Pull up the draft poll and see who didn't like the trade day one. Myself, SFredskin and that's probably it. Never liked the trade and nearly got ran off the board by you guys. Lol.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yeah right. Pull up the draft poll and see who didn't like the trade day one. Myself, SFredskin and that's probably it. Never liked the trade and nearly got ran off the board by you guys. Lol.

You actually had a few that didn't like the trade. I voted YES because it was a 2 option poll. The reality of my thoughts were here.

http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-...tml#post894789


I had no problem with RG3 the prospect. However, I wouldn't have given up that much to move up for him. Too bad that it wasn't Mike Holmgren that made that mistake instead of us.


It's great looking back at some of those threads. GTripp was almost right on this.. Luck did lead the Colts to the playoffs that year. I thought Tripp was high on drugs with that prediction...lol

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But I think Andrew Luck will actually get the (somewhat undeserved) rookie of the year award when he leads the Colts to the playoffs in the NFL's weakest division.

Hell...even CultBrennan was spot on....lol

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Heres one of the major differences between Cam and RG3; Cam never gets injured. RG3 has torn his ACL at least once in his career. Cam is 6'5 250, RG3 is "6'2" 220...Cam can take those hits and make those cuts in the nfl, RG3 may blow out his knee game 3 he's more fragile and frail than cam.

All in all, it's fun to look back and say I TOLD YOU SO, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Enjoy traveling back down memory lane guys..

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Note to front office, never draft a gimmick, spread, read option QB again. We mortgaged the future of a franchise on an athlete at QB, not a QB. Effing Danny Boy and Bruce.

Let's go with the thinking that Griffin is a complete bust for a second. I still hold out hope that he can get better, but the pocket presence problem is definitely a real issue.

But assuming he craps out on this last year of his rookie contract, let's talk about how much future we've actually mortgaged. It's important to think of it this way, putting perspective into just how much we gave up.

In 2012 we gave up a 1st and a 2nd rounder, those players would be finishing their rookie contracts this year. So in 2016, to still have them, we'd have to pay them. They'd take up cap space, and with us fairly close to maxed out on cap space at the moment, that means we'd have to say goodbye to other players, or we would have foregone an acquisition or two this past season, like Culliver perhaps. All this is to say that the value of the 2012 picks is now in the rear view mirror. We would still have those players available to extend to a 2nd contract, but that costs cap space, meaning it pushes someone out.

So I look at the mortgage taken out on the 2012 draft picks as paid off after this season.

Then in 2013 we gave up a 1st rounder. Same logic, that player would finish his rookie contract in 2016. So in 2017 it takes cap space, meaning one less free agent we can acquire. So the mortgage on that 2013 pick will be paid off after 2016.

And the 2014 1st rounder, that mortgage is paid off after 2017.

So yeah you give up a lot to get Griffin and take a shot. But it's not like we're set back for 10 years like everyone loves to say, as a soundbyte. Entering 2018 the Griffin trade will be completely in the rear view mirror, it's just a matter of whether we're smart enough to deploy our resources wisely to put together a successful team.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Let's go with the thinking that Griffin is a complete bust for a second. I still hold out hope that he can get better, but the pocket presence problem is definitely a real issue.

But assuming he craps out on this last year of his rookie contract, let's talk about how much future we've actually mortgaged. It's important to think of it this way, putting perspective into just how much we gave up.

In 2012 we gave up a 1st and a 2nd rounder, those players would be finishing their rookie contracts this year. So in 2016, to still have them, we'd have to pay them. They'd take up cap space, and with us fairly close to maxed out on cap space at the moment, that means we'd have to say goodbye to other players, or we would have foregone an acquisition or two this past season, like Culliver perhaps. All this is to say that the value of the 2012 picks is now in the rear view mirror. We would still have those players available to extend to a 2nd contract, but that costs cap space, meaning it pushes someone out.

So I look at the mortgage taken out on the 2012 draft picks as paid off after this season.

Then in 2013 we gave up a 1st rounder. Same logic, that player would finish his rookie contract in 2016. So in 2017 it takes cap space, meaning one less free agent we can acquire. So the mortgage on that 2013 pick will be paid off after 2016.

And the 2014 1st rounder, that mortgage is paid off after 2017.

So yeah you give up a lot to get Griffin and take a shot. But it's not like we're set back for 10 years like everyone loves to say, as a soundbyte. Entering 2018 the Griffin trade will be completely in the rear view mirror, it's just a matter of whether we're smart enough to deploy our resources wisely to put together a successful team.

I dont think so much its 10 years...but when you reduce chances to get impact, franchise-changing players its lousy. Especially when you got absolute dip shits like Bruce Allen and Danny Snyder wanting RG3 over your Head Coach. Its called a circus, our front office was a joke even after Vinny. Thats been the one constant

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Note to front office, never draft a gimmick, spread, read option QB again. We mortgaged the future of a franchise on an athlete at QB, not a QB. Effing Danny Boy and Bruce.

Is that what you really think Griffin is? You know QBs the way you describe Griffin above are a dime a dozen.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

From John Keim of ESPN:



"One thought from the multiple NFL people I communicated with over the weekend (scouts, executives, former executives and players) was unanimous: Quarterbacks do not improve their pocket presence and you can't win if they don't have any. And when you’re in your fourth training camp and still struggle in this area? Not good. It’s not going to change and if we’re seeing it – or other football people around the league are seeing it -- you can bank on it that the Redskins see it as well."



"The Redskins were genuinely encouraged by some early signs -- I saw and heard the positives. But it can be difficult to get a good read on pocket presence in practice. You’re in shorts and the rushers pull up. In games, it’s a different speed and flaws are magnified."

Said this two years ago. This is not something you learn. You either have it or you do not.

[30gut]

In response to Kiem's article:

Lol, so now the narrative is that Griffin doesn't have pocket presence and its something that can't be improved?

Rolls eyes.

I call BS. It's all moot b/c I have long believed this marriage is gonna end soon.

But this narrative doesn't past the smell test. Griffin's 'lack of pocket presence' doesn't appear to be a cause of his struggles rather a symptom of his struggles with the offense.

No one every pointed to Griffin's pocket presence as an issue until he started struggling with the offense.

So my response to this latest narrative is (if you're gonna bench the kid just do it, let's end this bizzare spectacle where we pretend the HC supports Griffin.) My response is that Griffin had pocket presence and so IF he has lost it can be regained.