New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dgack

Maybe Novak will never be better than Hall (I question whether that is really true or not). He certainly can't cost us as much, and he's not a gimp, I know that much. And frankly, we've had plenty of time to get used to Hall's deficiencies.

What eveidence have you seen that gives you any impression that he will ever be any better than Hall is right now? There hasn't been any if you are honest with yourself. He is an average kicker at best. His leg strength is not going to go up all off a sudden and he has no experience. I am not advocating keeping Hall for sure but Novak is not any better.

Originally Posted by dgack

But it seems kind of lame to just settle for a guy who has become mediocre just because he's comfortably mediocre.

It's also lame to settle for a guy who is mediocre just because he is cheaply mediocre.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

What eveidence have you seen that gives you any impression that he will ever be any better than Hall is right now? There hasn't been any if you are honest with yourself. He is an average kicker at best. His leg strength is not going to go up all off a sudden and he has no experience. I am not advocating keeping Hall for sure but Novak is not any better.

It's also lame to settle for a guy who is mediocre just because he is cheaply mediocre.

I didn't mean to endorse Novak in that thread necessarily, he just comes to mind because he kicked reasonably well for us in Hall's absence and he was good at UMD.

Looking at his numbers this year it's clear Novak was not awesome. I was just pointing out that Hall is going to be getting paid a ton of cash to basically be slightly better than average. And unfortunately I don't see the obvious quality alternatives being any cheaper.

[dgack]

Just for comparison...

This year Hall made $665k. Next year he's due to make $1.5 million.
Novak made $230k this year.


Others we've been talking about:

Vinatieri: $2.5mil
Vanderchoke: $1.8mil
Josh "I Wish I Could Quit You, Matthew" Brown: $380k
Longwell: $1mil

[That Guy]

frost is wildly inconsistant and novak gets WAY too many kicks blocked, neither one would be an upgrade, they're both barely in the nfl.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by That Guy

frost is wildly inconsistant and novak gets WAY too many kicks blocked, neither one would be an upgrade, they're both barely in the nfl.

A voice of reason!

[irish]

The skins have done everything in their power to keep Hall on the team, they are not going to dump him after missing 1 FG.

[FRPLG]

I think Vinatieri would be a great pickup but would cost. Question is whether the cost would be worth it. Are there any college kickers with actual good legs who could be options?

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think Vinatieri would be a great pickup but would cost. Question is whether the cost would be worth it. Are there any college kickers with actual good legs who could be options?

Dream on if you think we can afford Vinetieri. We have other positions to upgrade at (WR, DE, OL). If Hall is going to be replaced, it will be with someone cheaper.

[Big C]

novak's kickoffs were also short. if u all want someone to replace hall on kickoffs, then novak isnt the answer. however, he seemed to be solid at fgs, but he did get 2 blocked...i dont think that was a fluke

[dmek25]

frost really came on at the end of the year,so he stays.isnt there one single kicker in college we can get cheap(doesnt anyone in college kick field goals anymore?)hall has got to go,too much money,always hurt and lately not dependable anymore

[saskin]

Both Frost and Novak are young and it'd be good to let them develop a little bit.

Like someone said earlier, Frost started to come on later in the year.