Chargers to Hire Turner - Era of Mediocrity to Begin

[djnemo65]

I dont think this is as bad a hire as you guys seem to think. The thing about Norv is, he knows this is his last chance. Moreover, he is inheriting a level of talent he hasn't seen since he was in Dallas. Remember, he got a raw deal in Washington for a number of reasons, and the situation in Oakland was untenable. Let's see what happens - if you can't succeed under these circumastances then you just aren't meant to be a head coach.

[sportscurmudgeon]

TAFKAS:

Why not Dennis Green?

Here's why I would not hire Dennis Green ever again in the NFL:


1. He is a control freak of the same magnitude as a Parcells. The only difference is that he hasn't won anything.


2. After the Vikings lost that horrid game to the Giants in the playoffs five years ago (wasn't it 41-0 or something like that?), Green was exposed as a guy who lived off the talent on his team. He did not get good players to play like great players; he had a big strong armed QB throw the ball deep to a big and athletic receiver or short to a guy who could catch a speeding bullet. Oh, and he had a pretty good RB (Robert Smith) too. But no one ever got any better from year to year. In fact, you could argue that Culpepper and Moss got worse under Green's tutelage. Robert Smith retired early rather than play out his contract with Green at the helm of the team. If you owned the Chargers, would you take that chance with LT?

3. His tenure in Arizona was just miserable. He took over a team that could not run the ball at all. He left after three years with a team that could not run the ball at all - - after he spent a lot of the owner's money signing Edgerrin James.


4. Dennis Green has had "relationship" difficulties in Minny and in Arizona; he threatened to sue the former owner of the Vikings if they did not agree to sell the team to him and a group of his friends. That suit went nowhere when "the group" could not come up with even half of the downpayment to buy the team if the owner were to put it up for sale. In Texas they call that "all hat; no cattle."


Other than that, he'd be on my short list if I owned the Chargers...

[SmootSmack]

Any other reasons?

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

TAFKAS:

Why not Dennis Green?

Here's why I would not hire Dennis Green ever again in the NFL:


1. He is a control freak of the same magnitude as a Parcells. The only difference is that he hasn't won anything.


2. After the Vikings lost that horrid game to the Giants in the playoffs five years ago (wasn't it 41-0 or something like that?), Green was exposed as a guy who lived off the talent on his team. He did not get good players to play like great players; he had a big strong armed QB throw the ball deep to a big and athletic receiver or short to a guy who could catch a speeding bullet. Oh, and he had a pretty good RB (Robert Smith) too. But no one ever got any better from year to year. In fact, you could argue that Culpepper and Moss got worse under Green's tutelage. Robert Smith retired early rather than play out his contract with Green at the helm of the team. If you owned the Chargers, would you take that chance with LT?

3. His tenure in Arizona was just miserable. He took over a team that could not run the ball at all. He left after three years with a team that could not run the ball at all - - after he spent a lot of the owner's money signing Edgerrin James.


4. Dennis Green has had "relationship" difficulties in Minny and in Arizona; he threatened to sue the former owner of the Vikings if they did not agree to sell the team to him and a group of his friends. That suit went nowhere when "the group" could not come up with even half of the downpayment to buy the team if the owner were to put it up for sale. In Texas they call that "all hat; no cattle."


Other than that, he'd be on my short list if I owned the Chargers...

If you want to crown him, crown him! He wasn't who he thought he was with the Cardinals!

[hamslam]

Westbrook for receivers coach!

[FRPLG]

Norv is a good guy. Good OC and QB mentor. He sucked the life force out of us here but let's be honest. We hung onto him way too long so not everything can be blamed on him. I hope he can pull it together and do a good job out there. Maybe more nice guys like Norv can do good things in the NFL. Get rid of the hard asses like Parcells and Coughlin.

[dmek25]

tafkas I'm wondering, Dennis Green? why are NFL( and all sports teams) so afraid of hiring new, inexperienced coaches? all we keep seeing are the same old, recycled guys. hell, if J.K.C wouldn't have given coach Gibbs a chance, maybe we turn into the Arizona cardinals. and that isn't a good thing

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dmek25

tafkas I'm wondering, Dennis Green? why are NFL( and all sports teams) so afraid of hiring new, inexperienced coaches? all we keep seeing are the same old, recycled guys. hell, if J.K.C wouldn't have given coach Gibbs a chance, maybe we turn into the Arizona cardinals. and that isn't a good thing

I don't think Dennis Green should have been hired as head coach of the Chargers . I was just saying to Curmudgeon's point that if they were going to hire an "experienced" coach then why not Green over Turner.

[JoeRedskin]

San Diego has good quality talent. Strong O-Line, solid defense. Norv will make the offense look good.

They will, however, NEVER win a superbowl or advance deep into the playoffs with Norv as the head coach. Some stupid mistake will bite them in the ass and sabotage their chances.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

San Diego has good quality talent. Strong O-Line, solid defense. Norv will make the offense look good.

They will, however, NEVER win a superbowl or advance deep into the playoffs with Norv as the head coach. Some stupid mistake will bite them in the ass and sabotage their chances.

Over the long grind of a regular season, I would agree that a coach who lacks an attention to detail would decrease his team's chances to win.

In the playoffs though (a pretty short span), that kind of factor is nullified by the increased energy level of the players. I think SD is a relatively safe pick to be a final 4 team next year, and maybe the SB champ.

Then again, it's the NFL and no team--regardless of talent--has a better than 60-65% chance to even win their division. I wouldn't give any team a better than 20% chance to win the SB preseason.

[MTK]

Did anyone hear Jerry Rice's comments yesterday on Norv? He said when he played for him in Oakland Norv had "no control" over his players.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did anyone hear Jerry Rice's comments yesterday on Norv? He said when he played for him in Oakland Norv had "no control" over his players.

That's exactly how it was when he was with the Redskins

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did anyone hear Jerry Rice's comments yesterday on Norv? He said when he played for him in Oakland Norv had "no control" over his players.

Yeah, Al Davis has the control. Everybody knows that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yeah, Al Davis has the control. Everybody knows that.

A coach still has to have some level of control and authority. Do you think Gruden was completely powerless over his locker room in Oakland too just because of Davis??

What was Norv's excuse here then?

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

A coach still has to have some level of control and authority. Do you think Gruden was completely powerless over his locker room in Oakland too just because of Davis??

What was Norv's excuse here then?

Not saying Norv is totally blameless but Art Shell "lost" the team, Norv "lost" the team, and the coach before Norv "lost" the team (i can't recall his name). There's a trend. They are the raiders. Let's pretend his year there didn't exist. They're hopeless.