Chargers to Hire Turner - Era of Mediocrity to Begin

[MTK]

Did anyone hear Jerry Rice's comments yesterday on Norv? He said when he played for him in Oakland Norv had "no control" over his players.

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did anyone hear Jerry Rice's comments yesterday on Norv? He said when he played for him in Oakland Norv had "no control" over his players.

That's exactly how it was when he was with the Redskins

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did anyone hear Jerry Rice's comments yesterday on Norv? He said when he played for him in Oakland Norv had "no control" over his players.

Yeah, Al Davis has the control. Everybody knows that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yeah, Al Davis has the control. Everybody knows that.

A coach still has to have some level of control and authority. Do you think Gruden was completely powerless over his locker room in Oakland too just because of Davis??

What was Norv's excuse here then?

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

A coach still has to have some level of control and authority. Do you think Gruden was completely powerless over his locker room in Oakland too just because of Davis??

What was Norv's excuse here then?

Not saying Norv is totally blameless but Art Shell "lost" the team, Norv "lost" the team, and the coach before Norv "lost" the team (i can't recall his name). There's a trend. They are the raiders. Let's pretend his year there didn't exist. They're hopeless.

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Originally Posted by redsk1

Not saying Norv is totally blameless but Art Shell "lost" the team, Norv "lost" the team, and the coach before Norv "lost" the team (i can't recall his name). There's a trend. They are the raiders. Let's pretend his year there didn't exist. They're hopeless.

Bill Callaghan.

And as stated before, Turner lost his QB for the year in 2004. Gannon was (at time of retirement) still playing at a very high level. His replacement was Kerry freakin Collins.

The Raiders under Norv were not as bad as their record suggests. They just had a below average defense (And the trade for R. Moss was every bit as stupid as I thought it would be for them). This year they had the best defense that franchise has had in the last decade, and were the unianimous worst team in the league. It's safe to say that the Raiders downgraded their coaching staff last offseason.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

A coach still has to have some level of control and authority. Do you think Gruden was completely powerless over his locker room in Oakland too just because of Davis??

What was Norv's excuse here then?

Gruden was the exception to the rule.

Honestly, the Raiders are a grease-fire. Anyone who had the misfortune of being associated with that franchise deserves at least one shot with the 'get of jail free card'.

[Beemnseven]

Let's look at it this way: Which of Turner's teams had the most talent?

Answer: The '99 team. He finally got hold of a proven, veteran quarterback who made good decisions and still had enough of an arm to get his offense down the field. They found themselves a steal of a running back in the 4th round with Stephen Davis who turned out to be the perfect fit with an offensive line built to pound the ball. Westbrook and Connell had hit their peak at just the right time and found the right chemistry with Brad Johnson.

On the defensive side, they were mediocre to put it nicely. They gave up a ton of points.

Norv took that team to the second round of the playoffs with a banged up Stephen Davis and a seriously flawed defense.

From 1994-1998 he did about what could be expected from just about any head coach. And in 2000, there were 3 or 4 wins that got away because Sndyeratto decided not to pursue a kicker.

It was time for Norv to leave, I'll admit. I just don't think the man is the imbecile everyone else makes him out to be.

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Let's look at it this way: Which of Turner's teams had the most talent?

Answer: The '99 team. He finally got hold of a proven, veteran quarterback who made good decisions and still had enough of an arm to get his offense down the field. They found themselves a steal of a running back in the 4th round with Stephen Davis who turned out to be the perfect fit with an offensive line built to pound the ball. Westbrook and Connell had hit their peak at just the right time and found the right chemistry with Brad Johnson.

On the defensive side, they were mediocre to put it nicely. They gave up a ton of points.

Norv took that team to the second round of the playoffs with a banged up Stephen Davis and a seriously flawed defense.

From 1994-1998 he did about what could be expected from just about any head coach. And in 2000, there were 3 or 4 wins that got away because Sndyeratto decided not to pursue a kicker.

It was time for Norv to leave, I'll admit. I just don't think the man is the imbecile everyone else makes him out to be.

I remember a few tough losses in 2000, can't remember how many I could put on the kicker, but I can remember a couple on Stephen Davis fumbles.
that year we beat 4 of the best teams in football, including both super bowl teams, but we couldn't win the 'easy' games. Is that coaching? I don't know if you could put it all on Norv, but I also don't think it wasn't only the Danny that thought he couldn't handle his team. Seems the opinion was shared by many in the league.
Maybe SD feels its his time & they have enough confidence in their personnel to get it done next year regardless of Norv's track record. The inside word on him is probably pretty favorable.
How have teams done after Marty left? Cleveland, KC & Skins; I don't remember any having a winning record. Marty may be a tough act to follow.

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Jerry Rice and all the Sirius guys have been very dismissal of Norv since the San Diego positioned opened.

I really think he was the choice and a good choice at that. He has two very obvious strengths: he's great with young QBs and he's great with RBs. If you are trying to maintain San Diego's success, who better? If they can score 500 points with MARTY, why not 600 points with Norv?

Norv has never been good at managing the clubhouse, but this is NOT the Oakland Raiders. The clubhouse is very good, very mature and focused. This is Norv Turner's dream job, and I think he will be very successful if the defense holds up under their new coordinator.

[Rexi]

*cries in this thread*

Honestly, what are the chances that the two places he would still get HC consideration would open up? God hates the 49ers.

If they win more than 10 games I will be shocked. They went from Marty Schottenheimer and Wade Phillips to Norv Turner and Ted Cottrell. GREAT start to the offseason...

[memphisskin]

I will go to my grave believing that the 1999 Redskins would have won a Super Bowl if not for one botched snap, we could have easily beaten the Rams, and the Titans. I think Dan Snyder believes the same thing, because he cut the Turk brothers and brought in a couple of 1993 NFL All Pros, albeit 7 yrs past their Primetime. He destroyed any chance we had of competing that season, the distractions started in camp and continued through the undressing of Norv Turner after a loss to the Cowboys. I think Norv's shortcoming is that he is one of the least inspirational coaches ever.

But maybe he's going to change. Belichick was pretty bad in Cleveland, and now he's a "genius."