The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by pdid5000

Almost anyone is better then Collins. I say go for it, Rattay would be a solid #2 and an uprgade even above Brunell.

Why are people acting like it's that easy to just switch parts in and out on a football team? Did we learn nothing from this past debacle of a season? You bring in Tim Rattay, he's going to know nothing about our offense. And exactly how is he going to get enough reps to learn anything over the next season or so when we're concentrating on giving almost all the reps to Campbell?

Collins is not talented. But he is cheap, and he knows how to operate the offense. Rattay will cost more, and would take time to train.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Why are people acting like it's that easy to just switch parts in and out on a football team? Did we learn nothing from this past debacle of a season? You bring in Tim Rattay, he's going to know nothing about our offense. And exactly how is he going to get enough reps to learn anything over the next season or so when we're concentrating on giving almost all the reps to Campbell?

Collins is not talented. But he is cheap, and he knows how to operate the offense. Rattay will cost more, and would take time to train.

Plus, who says Rattay wants to be a back-up QB on a team with a young starter. It could be he's still on the market because he does not want to be a back-up. I certainly could imagine him wanting to be a starting QB for some team. With our current QB situation, it's not likely he would even be considered.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by pdid5000

Almost anyone is better then Collins. I say go for it, Rattay would be a solid #2 and an uprgade even above Brunell.

I'm all for sign Rattay and cutting Collins and especially Brunell. I live in fear that Gibbs will put Brunell back on the field, which would immediately cause me to turn off the game, even in the playoffs. I'm never going to watch that guy take another snap.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

I'm all for sign Rattay and cutting Collins and especially Brunell. I live in fear that Gibbs will put Brunell back on the field, which would immediately cause me to turn off the game, even in the playoffs. I'm never going to watch that guy take another snap.

So you'd rather watch a journeyman like Rattay who would be in his first season in this offense which takes a full year to learn?

Makes sense.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So you'd rather watch a journeyman like Rattay who would be in his first season in this offense which takes a full year to learn?

Makes sense.

Matty, I think most offenses take a year to completely learn. I understand your reservations.

Truth is though, most QBs can play just fine in a new system right away. Sure, they may say they aren't completely comfortable with the offense yet...because complete comfort takes time to achieve.

A good, veteran QB who is not entirely comfortable will still play well. If he didn't, he wouldn't be a good QB. Rattay is in the prime years of his career, and thats the whole point here. Minnesota, Oakland, Atlanta, Carolina, maybe even Buffalo would be instantly better if they signed Rattay and played him.

At the end of last year, he was money in Tampa Bay. I don't blame Tampa Bay for going with Garcia, another good QB, but it just means that someone is going to end up with a pretty good QB in the prime of his career without having to pay market value for him.

Why shouldn't we be the ones to benefit from this deficiency?

As far as comparing a potential contract to the one that Carr/Harrington got, I think thats a bad comparison. Carr and Harrington both had a market for their services, despite consistent below average play. Rattay has been consistently above league average for many years now, is still getting better, and has no market.

Someone is going to end up with quite a steal, and I started the thread to present the case for it being us. We don't need him as bad as some teams do, but other teams aren't my concern.

[SmootSmack]

Would Bradshaw be making such a big fuss about Ratatouille if they both weren't Louisiana Tech guys?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Would Bradshaw be making such a big fuss about Ratatouille if they both weren't Louisiana Tech guys?

No, of course not. But I agree with Bradshaw, and I'm not a La. Tech guy in any way.

[724Skinsfan]

Sometimes I hate it when Schneed writes post on threads like these. He has essentially the same opinion that I do regarding Collins versus Rattay but because he's smarter, he says it better which leaves me with nothing better to do than write this weak post.

To echo. Saunders would not have kept Collins on as part of his offense if he felt he had no ability to perform his duties as a backup. Did anyone in KC challenge Saunders/Vermeil about why are they keeping such a horrible waste of NFL talent on the team?

Brunell, Collins and Campbell looked equally bad in pre-season. Probably because they had a better understanding of the plays but the other 10 guys were intermittently out of postion.

I think I read a while back that Collins keeps himself in great physical shape. At age 37 his body isn't going to break down after a series of hits.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Sometimes I hate it when Schneed writes post on threads like these. He has essentially the same opinion that I do regarding Collins versus Rattay but because he's smarter, he says it better which leaves me with nothing better to do than write this weak post.

To echo. Saunders would not have kept Collins on as part of his offense if he felt he had no ability to perform his duties as a backup. Did anyone in KC challenge Saunders/Vermeil about why are they keeping such a horrible waste of NFL talent on the team?

Brunell, Collins and Campbell looked equally bad in pre-season. Probably because they had a better understanding of the plays but the other 10 guys were intermittently out of postion.

I think I read a while back that Collins keeps himself in great physical shape. At age 37 his body isn't going to break down after a series of hits.

Or, Saunders realizes exactly who Todd Collins is, but also thinks that his boy Collins has been loyal to him for years, and deserves to reap the benefits of a injury to the guy ahead of him.

From Saunders' point of view, if the season is down the crapper anyway, why not put Collins in charge of his offense and powerful running game so that he can generate some hype around him. Maybe Collins very well deserves his shot in a favorable situation.

But to clarify: What's best for Todd Collins probably isn't whats best for the Washington Redskins.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Or, Saunders realizes exactly who Todd Collins is, but also thinks that his boy Collins has been loyal to him for years, and deserves to reap the benefits of a injury to the guy ahead of him.

That sentiment may be plausible for the short term but he's not going to keep him on his roster for more than a couple of years out of straight up loyalty. People just do not maintain success by sacrificing talent acquisition and winning with something as basic as personal loyalty. Saunders has been in the NFL for a long time. Long enough to know when to draw the line when it comes to loyalty.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

That sentiment may be plausible for the short term but he's not going to keep him on his roster for more than a couple of years out of straight up loyalty. People just do not maintain success by sacrificing talent acquisition and winning with something as basic as personal loyalty. Saunders has been in the NFL for a long time. Long enough to know when to draw the line when it comes to loyalty.

Agreed. GTripp, the way you talk about Saunders keeping Collins around just because he likes him makes it seem like you think Saunders is completely inept at his job. By insinuating that Saunders is playing favorites with Collins, you're basically saying Saunders lacks sound football judgment.

It's a severe overstatement of your case.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

That sentiment may be plausible for the short term but he's not going to keep him on his roster for more than a couple of years out of straight up loyalty. People just do not maintain success by sacrificing talent acquisition and winning with something as basic as personal loyalty. Saunders has been in the NFL for a long time. Long enough to know when to draw the line when it comes to loyalty.

I agree. But as the third quarterback, why not? Who else would fill that role, a role that essentially doesn't matter.

Well, I've suggested that Rattay deserves his roster spot and that we should pay him No. 2 QB money, a role he will step into in 2008. I don't think Al would particualrly enjoy such a suggestion, but I don't think he'd prevent it either if Gibbs came to him. He's too smart for that.

[freddyg12]

best thread on here since the Briggs would be saga. Good job GT.

I think good points are made on both sides of this. I've been sayin on here for a while that we need to find somebody in the draft to groom as JC's backup. Roster space as well as cap space are both an issue.

Regardless of where you stand on this, we must all at least agree that if not this year, certainly next year we must get a young backup, draft or free agency. I actually thought Carr would've been a good signing for us if not for the logjam of old men we now have at qb.

[Master4Caster]

You're just writing this because it's the boring part of the off-season, aren't you?!

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, until you cross over it.

The other lane is always going faster, until you get in it.

The other player always looks better, until you sign him.

Yes, I think Tim Rattay would be a decent back-up somewhere, but exchanging him for Collins is going to have marginal impact on the team -- unless they get into a game. Then, it will probably be worse in either case.

I'd rather see what we have in Hollenbach and Palmer and move one of them up the depth chart.

[crawfish]

Let's just hope and pray that Jason Campbell does not get hurt. But if he does I think Collins can come in and do a similar job that Huard did. Everyone says Colllins can't play but did the guy ever get the chance in KC? No. So how do you realy know? No one knew if Trent Green could play until Gus lost his confidence. Then he came in and played well on a poor team. You can't judge Collins by pre season games. That's silly.