Skins stuck at No. 6?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

As I said in earlier thread on this subject, I don't want to waste a #6 pick on a lineman just because we have a need, only to find out next draft we have the same need. Unless 1 of these linemen can dominate his position we should either trade down, and maybe get a merriman out of miami, and a Jarvis Moss/Carriker type. Or draft the best safety in the draft, Landry, He would make a huge difference compared to AA whom teams attacked at will. We also know that there are teams picking behind us that want him so it's great strategy to start giving him a big look, that will give us leverage to start trading down, how bout we move 2 spots and gain a 2nd rd pick from Atlanta who apparently is in love with Landry. Now that would give us some more bargaining power to trade down again perhaps with Carolina for a 3rd, and just maybe 1 more trade for a 2nd or 3rd before we start addressing several needs rather than 1.

Jarvis Moss and Carriker are about as far from each other in type as two ends can be. Theres a 45 LB difference between the two.

Amobi Okoye!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Jarvis Moss and Carriker are about as far from each other in type as two ends can be. Theres a 45 LB difference between the two.

Amobi Okoye!

Point being????????????????????

[GTripp0012]

AmobiOkoyeAmobiOkoyeGoodCallBangAmobiOkoye.

Remember, just because the Redskins don't have anything on the table now doesn't mean they are smokescreening or won't have anything on the table in three weeks from now.

The "correct" move (As GTripp has decided--take it with at least a grain of salt) would be to pick Okoye at 6. To me, this is a no brainer selection. He's probably going to be one of the top 5 players drafted in the first round of this draft (along with Quinn, Thomas, Landry and Dwayne Bowe/Adams), and is going to prove a good value wherever he gets taken.

The most ideal situation would be to be able to trade down a few spots and STILL get Okoye. But the chances of being able to pull this off are rare, and the risk of the one player who could really help us being taken doesn't outweigh the reward of an extra draft pick or two.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

AmobiOkoyeAmobiOkoyeGoodCallBangAmobiOkoye.

Remember, just because the Redskins don't have anything on the table now doesn't mean they are smokescreening or won't have anything on the table in three weeks from now.

The "correct" move (As GTripp has decided--take it with at least a grain of salt) would be to pick Okoye at 6. To me, this is a no brainer selection. He's probably going to be one of the top 5 players drafted in the first round of this draft (along with Quinn, Thomas, Landry and Dwayne Bowe/Adams), and is going to prove a good value wherever he gets taken.

The most ideal situation would be to be able to trade down a few spots and STILL get Okoye. But the chances of being able to pull this off are rare, and the risk of the one player who could really help us being taken doesn't outweigh the reward of an extra draft pick or two.

I am not sold on a 6'1" tackle at the 6th spot. how much more can this grow, sounds like he's fully developed already?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

I am not sold on a 6'1" tackle at the 6th spot. how much more can this grow, sounds like he's fully developed already?

What? Are you talking height or talent?

If you are talking height, 6' 1" seems adequate at least. Most DTs are 6' 3" or 6' 4", and although every inch helps, 6' 1" isn't exactly small. If anything, it will help him play with leverage vs. the run against bigger interior linemen.

Remember, he was dominant at the college level and his height was just as much of a factor there if not more than it will be at the professional level.

If you are talking about talent, I completely disagree. He's going to grow roughly at the same rate that ALL DT's do. The difference is he's legitmately the best DT prospect in the last few drafts as of right now, and he's going to be one of the most dominant DT's in the league in a few years. You can't ever have the maximum possible amount of experience. There's no such thing. Every player in the league, including Peyton Manning, can always improve his understanding of the game and his opponents. Okoye just has a big starting advantage over every other DL in this draft class.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What? Are you talking height or talent?

If you are talking height, 6' 1" seems adequate at least. Most DTs are 6' 3" or 6' 4", and although every inch helps, 6' 1" isn't exactly small. If anything, it will help him play with leverage vs. the run against bigger interior linemen.

Remember, he was dominant at the college level and his height was just as much of a factor there if not more than it will be at the professional level.

If you are talking about talent, I completely disagree. He's going to grow roughly at the same rate that ALL DT's do. The difference is he's legitmately the best DT prospect in the last few drafts as of right now, and he's going to be one of the most dominant DT's in the league in a few years. You can't ever have the maximum possible amount of experience. There's no such thing. Every player in the league, including Peyton Manning, can always improve his understanding of the game and his opponents. Okoye just has a big starting advantage over every other DL in this draft class.

It will also not allow him to knock down passes, it sounds like you have the dynamics of leverage all worked out, hopefully all the NFL lineman read your post so they can start preparing to be pushed around by this 6'1" monster.


Negatives: Shorter than ideal, causing problems when he fails to keep his hands active trying to fill the rush lanes and the center gets assistance in blocking him out (susceptible to cut blocks)...Can push the pocket, but seems to lack the closing burst needed to get to the quarterback consistently (needs to finish better)...His size could be a problem in a one-gap system...While he delivers punishing hand swipes in closed quarters, he can get reckless while operating in space...Does not possess sustained speed to pursue long distances, working better in the short area...Lost bulk to improve his stamina, but needs to put some back on to compete against the bigger blockers at the pro level...Very good in run containment, but he lacks pass rush moves despite eight sacks as a senior...Can move laterally with some effectiveness, but will struggle to redirect and is slow to recover when taking a wide loop in backside pursuit...Can push the pocket and has good initial quickness, but lacks the sudden speed to close on the quarterback...Even though he is known to clog the middle, only two of his 55 tackles in 2006 came inside the red zone.

Compares To: JONATHAN BABINEAUX-Atlanta...Neither player can be measured on his size, as their heart and desire to make the play are their biggest assets. Both show a good short-area burst and excellent upper body strength to clog the middle and split double teams. While neither is known for his pass rushing skills, both are quite effective at keeping their feet and anchoring to shut down the inside rush lanes.


That does not sound like a top 10 player, it sounds more like a guy who will have his hands full with bigger and better lineman in the NFL. This kid is not Warren Sapp!

[jrocx69]

Originally Posted by offiss

I am not sold on a 6'1" tackle at the 6th spot. how much more can this grow, sounds like he's fully developed already?

he's only 19 and maybe only 6'1 but is very smart and very big and quick. everytime i see film i like him more and more. and branch is just to big of a reach at #6. i wouldnt mind seeing landry drafted either, after seeing the db's last season (especially SS) i would love to solidify the safety position and landry is one of the most "sure picks" along with calvin johnson and patrick willis.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

i would love to solidify the safety position and landry is one of the most "sure picks" along with calvin johnson and patrick willis.

Yeah, had we not gotten Fletcher, I would've supported going after Willis after trading down. Like Okoye, I fell in love with the guy after learning about him (hence my "I heart Patrick Willis" threads from a few months ago).

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by angryssg

So in every one's opinion there is no DL in the draft worthy of a top 10 selection?

no there are 3

[goodolddb]

Okoye is the best prospect on Dline but he needs time to further develope, Landry will start and be a force the first game of the season. Landry will also motovate Taylor to be a better player.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by goodolddb

Okoye is the best prospect on Dline but he needs time to further develope, Landry will start and be a force the first game of the season. Landry will also motovate Taylor to be a better player.

Welcome to the board! Goodolddb eh? Are you Shawn Springs

[Dirtbag59]

Heres what I'd like to see. If we stay at 6 then draft Okoye. Personally I don't see him going past the Dolphins with the 9th pick so trading down with Buffalo and expecting Amobi to fall down to 12 is out of the question.

If the Falcons trade up with us to snag Landry then same situation applies (Draft Amobi). In that case we can use the 2nd round pick to either take a pass rush specilist (a la Lamar Woodley or Anthony Spencer) or one of the elite Guard prospects (a la Aaron Sears or Justin Blalcok). And in a world that doesn't exist take Merriweather if he falls all the way to 40 or 42.

If we trade down with Buffalo then we're going to have to decide between Anderson and Cariker. Personally I'm starting to like Cariker. Hes a hard worker that is also very stout against the run. In fact he reminds a little of Luis Castillo and Aaron Smith (even though both are 3-4 DE's). Oh yeah, one more thing about Cariker, not only does he make big hits, he wraps up.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Those are all very plausible trade scenarios and ones that would work out quite nicely. If we could indeed parlay our 6th pick for Okoye and a guy like Woodley, I would be estatic. It would be nice to add two young D-linemen - aging D-line instantly solved.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Those are all very plausible trade scenarios and ones that would work out quite nicely. If we could indeed parlay our 6th pick for Okoye and a guy like Woodley, I would be estatic. It would be nice to add two young D-linemen - aging D-line instantly solved.

Absolutely. That would be the most ideal situation.

I'm not holding my breath that it happens though. If we could get Okoye, I'd be happy regardless of what else happened.

The most plausible draft option for the Skins is to draft Okoye at six. If we take Landry or Gaines Adams, it really does spell the end for Carter or Taylor respectively. Taylor might be allowed to play out his contract alongside Landry, but we aren't going to give him a new deal if we have a much better player in Landry already.

The way I see it, Carter and Taylor, although merely above average players, could be pieces we build around for the future. Okoye would be helpful talent to build around them. But Landry and Adams would be replacing some key veterans thus and prolonging the rebuilding process.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Absolutely. That would be the most ideal situation.

I'm not holding my breath that it happens though. If we could get Okoye, I'd be happy regardless of what else happened.

But Landry and Adams would be replacing some key veterans thus and prolonging the rebuilding process.

Yeah, the reason I said it was plausible is that there is a lot of talk of the Falcons pursuing Landry. Granted it's just talk and we've heard a lot of rumors lately, but it's definately one that makes sense. Atlanta needs safety help and Landry is great talent. Moreover, Atlanta has a lot of picks.

I also agree that Adams wouldn't be the best choice given Carter, but Landry wouldn't replace Taylor. I think Taylor and Landry would be a nice duo and we have no one to play opposite Taylor for the next few years.