Skins stuck at No. 6?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

AmobiOkoyeAmobiOkoyeGoodCallBangAmobiOkoye.

Remember, just because the Redskins don't have anything on the table now doesn't mean they are smokescreening or won't have anything on the table in three weeks from now.

The "correct" move (As GTripp has decided--take it with at least a grain of salt) would be to pick Okoye at 6. To me, this is a no brainer selection. He's probably going to be one of the top 5 players drafted in the first round of this draft (along with Quinn, Thomas, Landry and Dwayne Bowe/Adams), and is going to prove a good value wherever he gets taken.

The most ideal situation would be to be able to trade down a few spots and STILL get Okoye. But the chances of being able to pull this off are rare, and the risk of the one player who could really help us being taken doesn't outweigh the reward of an extra draft pick or two.

I am not sold on a 6'1" tackle at the 6th spot. how much more can this grow, sounds like he's fully developed already?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

I am not sold on a 6'1" tackle at the 6th spot. how much more can this grow, sounds like he's fully developed already?

What? Are you talking height or talent?

If you are talking height, 6' 1" seems adequate at least. Most DTs are 6' 3" or 6' 4", and although every inch helps, 6' 1" isn't exactly small. If anything, it will help him play with leverage vs. the run against bigger interior linemen.

Remember, he was dominant at the college level and his height was just as much of a factor there if not more than it will be at the professional level.

If you are talking about talent, I completely disagree. He's going to grow roughly at the same rate that ALL DT's do. The difference is he's legitmately the best DT prospect in the last few drafts as of right now, and he's going to be one of the most dominant DT's in the league in a few years. You can't ever have the maximum possible amount of experience. There's no such thing. Every player in the league, including Peyton Manning, can always improve his understanding of the game and his opponents. Okoye just has a big starting advantage over every other DL in this draft class.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What? Are you talking height or talent?

If you are talking height, 6' 1" seems adequate at least. Most DTs are 6' 3" or 6' 4", and although every inch helps, 6' 1" isn't exactly small. If anything, it will help him play with leverage vs. the run against bigger interior linemen.

Remember, he was dominant at the college level and his height was just as much of a factor there if not more than it will be at the professional level.

If you are talking about talent, I completely disagree. He's going to grow roughly at the same rate that ALL DT's do. The difference is he's legitmately the best DT prospect in the last few drafts as of right now, and he's going to be one of the most dominant DT's in the league in a few years. You can't ever have the maximum possible amount of experience. There's no such thing. Every player in the league, including Peyton Manning, can always improve his understanding of the game and his opponents. Okoye just has a big starting advantage over every other DL in this draft class.

It will also not allow him to knock down passes, it sounds like you have the dynamics of leverage all worked out, hopefully all the NFL lineman read your post so they can start preparing to be pushed around by this 6'1" monster.


Negatives: Shorter than ideal, causing problems when he fails to keep his hands active trying to fill the rush lanes and the center gets assistance in blocking him out (susceptible to cut blocks)...Can push the pocket, but seems to lack the closing burst needed to get to the quarterback consistently (needs to finish better)...His size could be a problem in a one-gap system...While he delivers punishing hand swipes in closed quarters, he can get reckless while operating in space...Does not possess sustained speed to pursue long distances, working better in the short area...Lost bulk to improve his stamina, but needs to put some back on to compete against the bigger blockers at the pro level...Very good in run containment, but he lacks pass rush moves despite eight sacks as a senior...Can move laterally with some effectiveness, but will struggle to redirect and is slow to recover when taking a wide loop in backside pursuit...Can push the pocket and has good initial quickness, but lacks the sudden speed to close on the quarterback...Even though he is known to clog the middle, only two of his 55 tackles in 2006 came inside the red zone.

Compares To: JONATHAN BABINEAUX-Atlanta...Neither player can be measured on his size, as their heart and desire to make the play are their biggest assets. Both show a good short-area burst and excellent upper body strength to clog the middle and split double teams. While neither is known for his pass rushing skills, both are quite effective at keeping their feet and anchoring to shut down the inside rush lanes.


That does not sound like a top 10 player, it sounds more like a guy who will have his hands full with bigger and better lineman in the NFL. This kid is not Warren Sapp!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

It will also not allow him to knock down passes, it sounds like you have the dynamics of leverage all worked out, hopefully all the NFL lineman read your post so they can start preparing to be pushed around by this 6'1" monster.


Negatives: Shorter than ideal, causing problems when he fails to keep his hands active trying to fill the rush lanes and the center gets assistance in blocking him out (susceptible to cut blocks)...Can push the pocket, but seems to lack the closing burst needed to get to the quarterback consistently (needs to finish better)...His size could be a problem in a one-gap system...While he delivers punishing hand swipes in closed quarters, he can get reckless while operating in space...Does not possess sustained speed to pursue long distances, working better in the short area...Lost bulk to improve his stamina, but needs to put some back on to compete against the bigger blockers at the pro level...Very good in run containment, but he lacks pass rush moves despite eight sacks as a senior...Can move laterally with some effectiveness, but will struggle to redirect and is slow to recover when taking a wide loop in backside pursuit...Can push the pocket and has good initial quickness, but lacks the sudden speed to close on the quarterback...Even though he is known to clog the middle, only two of his 55 tackles in 2006 came inside the red zone.

Compares To: JONATHAN BABINEAUX-Atlanta...Neither player can be measured on his size, as their heart and desire to make the play are their biggest assets. Both show a good short-area burst and excellent upper body strength to clog the middle and split double teams. While neither is known for his pass rushing skills, both are quite effective at keeping their feet and anchoring to shut down the inside rush lanes.


That does not sound like a top 10 player, it sounds more like a guy who will have his hands full with bigger and better lineman in the NFL. This kid is not Warren Sapp!

Uh, I don't know who wrote that scouting report, but you'd be foolish to weigh it anymore than my scouting report. At best, you just have dissenting opinions. From my point of view, that report is on crack.

I understand that the difference between 6' 1" and 6' 3" may cost us 1-2 tipped passes a season with Okoye in there, but who really cares. If he's anywhere near as dominant as he was in college, he will make up for much much more than 1.5 tipped passes per season. At 6' 1", hes still going to get a fair share of tips.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Uh, I don't know who wrote that scouting report, but you'd be foolish to weigh it anymore than my scouting report. At best, you just have dissenting opinions. From my point of view, that report is on crack.

I understand that the difference between 6' 1" and 6' 3" may cost us 1-2 tipped passes a season with Okoye in there, but who really cares. If he's anywhere near as dominant as he was in college, he will make up for much much more than 1.5 tipped passes per season. At 6' 1", hes still going to get a fair share of tips.

Somebody's been watching a little too much NFL Network.

[SmootSmack]

For the record, this is the scouting report Offiss excerpted

NFL.com - Prospect Profiles

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

For the record, this is the scouting report Offiss excerpted

NFL.com - Prospect Profiles

OK, thanks for the link.

He's 7 months older than me! That's crazy.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Somebody's been watching a little too much NFL Network.

Just saying that using Jonathon Babineaux as a comp seems kinda biased. I mean, I know the whole idea behind comparibles is completely subjective, but if they are projecting him to be the quality of a 6th round pick, then I'm not going to take them seriously.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Somebody's been watching a little too much NFL Network.

There is no such thing as too much NFLN.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Uh, I don't know who wrote that scouting report, but you'd be foolish to weigh it anymore than my scouting report. At best, you just have dissenting opinions. From my point of view, that report is on crack.

I understand that the difference between 6' 1" and 6' 3" may cost us 1-2 tipped passes a season with Okoye in there, but who really cares. If he's anywhere near as dominant as he was in college, he will make up for much much more than 1.5 tipped passes per season. At 6' 1", hes still going to get a fair share of tips.

not to mention he is 19 and he will more than likely keep growing untill he is 21

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

not to mention he is 19 and he will more than likely keep growing untill he is 21

Exactly. But if we draft him and only sign him to a 4 or 5 yr contract we're just training him for someone else. I'd only want him if he would be willing to sign a 9 year deal with the last 4 voidable by the team.
On the flipside, trade down with Carolina (who are reportedly trying to trade Jenkins again) and pick up Carriker. True, he's not the pass rusher Adams or Moss is but playing LDE he'd tie up two guys and let Washington make a million tackles against the run. Teams would have to run at Carter instead and would find Taylor and McIntosh lurking behind him.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by rypper11

Exactly. But if we draft him and only sign him to a 4 or 5 yr contract we're just training him for someone else. I'd only want him if he would be willing to sign a 9 year deal with the last 4 voidable by the team.
On the flipside, trade down with Carolina (who are reportedly trying to trade Jenkins again) and pick up Carriker. True, he's not the pass rusher Adams or Moss is but playing LDE he'd tie up two guys and let Washington make a million tackles against the run. Teams would have to run at Carter instead and would find Taylor and McIntosh lurking behind him.

i know but i dont like carriker really just sign ian scott and draft whoever i really dont care who we draft anymore

[jrocx69]

Originally Posted by offiss

I am not sold on a 6'1" tackle at the 6th spot. how much more can this grow, sounds like he's fully developed already?

he's only 19 and maybe only 6'1 but is very smart and very big and quick. everytime i see film i like him more and more. and branch is just to big of a reach at #6. i wouldnt mind seeing landry drafted either, after seeing the db's last season (especially SS) i would love to solidify the safety position and landry is one of the most "sure picks" along with calvin johnson and patrick willis.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

i would love to solidify the safety position and landry is one of the most "sure picks" along with calvin johnson and patrick willis.

Yeah, had we not gotten Fletcher, I would've supported going after Willis after trading down. Like Okoye, I fell in love with the guy after learning about him (hence my "I heart Patrick Willis" threads from a few months ago).