OG and OC are bigger needs than OT

[MTK]

I would pretty much bet the farm that Vinny wouldn't take a WR at #13. Let's call it the Matt Millen rule, nobody wants to go down that path.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I would pretty much bet the farm that Vinny wouldn't take a WR at #13. Let's call it the Matt Millen rule, nobody wants to go down that path.

So , unless Matt Millen gets hired as our GM , we will not draft P. Harvin , WR , Florida Gators

[A10sROCK]

This thread assumes that Vinny will draft for a position of need.

Cerratto has consistently stated that he always drafts for Best Player Available. Most of the media who follows this team;most of the fans would say we need to draft for the OL and DL. Some of us have been saying it for years and years.

Yet, the team under Snyder has gone for anything BUT draft for the trenches. I see nothing that makes me think that Vinny will suddenly change his draft strategy this season.

Only one draft pick from last season got significant playing time - Chris Horton. One out of ten choices.

Vinny will pick poorly for the wrong positions. I'd like to see us draft a OT.

[30gut]

Unfortunately, we need some help at all three Interior line positions. Pete Kendall was arguably our best lineman this year, but he is a free agent. Rabach is DONE. he's finished as a starter. Randy Thomas is done too, but unlike Rabach, he has a ridiculous cap figure.

I agree 100% about Kendall playing well, Terrel Davis even mentioned him as a pro-bowl snub AND Pete says that he wants to return.

While I wouldn't quite say that Rabach is done, i think that he struggles against some of the bigger NT/DT.
I sadly agree about Randy.
I think our line could use upgrades.

I look at the line issues from this vantage point: Imagine that the Redskins can only upgrade 1 offensive line postion which postion would you pick?

My answer is Center.

Nothing against Rabach. But, IMO the single greatest benefit to the overall line would happen if our Center could match up 1-1 with the likes of a NT/DT like Ratliff. When/if the center can hold their own the rest of the line improves automatically.

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

....when you look back to the problems on our line this year, more often than ont, Campbell was getting pressured in the middle.

I think that Kendall will still be effective at 1 Guard spot and i gotta believe that Rinehart will be at least as good as Thomas.(especially since Fabini filled in for Randy last year, after the whole Wade fiasco) Buges and the media raved about Rhino all training camp and preseason yet the kid didn't see a snap of game time.
I think Rinehart's playing time was a victim of Buges loyalty to his veterans. Rinehart is one of our few young lineman and IMO they should've put him in when Thomas was struggling and let him play. Rinehart has 'upside' we can watch him improve instead of wishing that our vets return to form while we watching their play decline.

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I know the chances of Heyer developing into a stud RT are slim to none.

I don't know about this, Heyer played well last year as a rookie undrafted free agent inplace of an injured Jansen. Heyer seemed to improve each week
then beat out Jansen for the RT spot during training camp.
-If Buges still thinks that Jansen can play and all signs point to Heyer being better and not mention younger then Jansen, doesn't that mean that Heyer is at least a decent OT?

OT is a need, for sure, but we can get by with Samuels on one side and Jansen/Heyer on the other for another year if we have an upgraded interior line.. .....

Samuels when healthy is out best lineman. But it wouldn't hurt to have a young LT waiting in the wings.

Having a solid interior line is a MUST

And it starts with center.

My lineup if the Redskins only make 1 upgrade:
LT Samuels LG Rinehart C-*Rookie* RG-Rinehart RT- Heyer

WalterFootball.com: 2009 NFL Draft: Center Rankings

Alex Mack, California
Height: 6-5. Weight: 316.
Projected 40 Time: 5.13.
Projected Round (2009): 1.

Max Unger, Oregon
Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Projected Round (2009): 1-2.

Jonathan Luigs, Arkansas
Height: 6-4. Weight: 314.
Projected 40 Time: 5.21.
Projected Round (2009): 2.

NFL Draft Scout Rankings has them ranked different and has none of them going in the 1st so we could even trade down from the 13th pick take another player and still land one of these guys in the 2nd round.

NFL Draft Scout Rankings, From Prep to Pro Coverage for Pros by Pros - Powered by the Sports Xchange

[LandrySlice]

The answer you guys are looking for is Mr. Crabtree!

[GTripp0012]

Even though there might be better options than Mack at 13, I'll say this: a line with him in the middle of Kendall and Rinehart/Thomas would be strong even with Jon Jansen at RT.

[A10sROCK]

We are one of the only teams that consistently rejects OL and DL choices in the draft. Our record under Snyder reflects that bias.

Until we use our best draft choices for the OL and DL, we will never get better than we are. Jason Campbell needs pass protection.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Even though there might be better options than Mack at 13, I'll say this: a line with him in the middle of Kendall and Rinehart/Thomas would be strong even with Jon Jansen at RT.

Most of the draft sites have him(Mack) going way lower then 13.
We could likely trade down and still get him, the earliest i've seen him go in a mock is to the Steelers @ 30.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Even though there might be better options than Mack at 13, I'll say this: a line with him in the middle of Kendall and Rinehart/Thomas would be strong even with Jon Jansen at RT.

I agree 100% GTripp. I wouldn't mind trading down, but I would really like this guy on our team.

[The Goat]

Talk about semantics. Center a bigger need than guard. Guard a bigger need than center. Tackle a bigger need than guard or center. For the oldest, smallest and slowest line in the division and arguably one of the worst in the league period this debate wins the inane award.

... the line needs to be replaced within a year or two w/ the exception of Samuels (who may just need to switch to RT). Where/how we start the replacement process is probably best decided as a matter of pragmatism. If Jansen can be effective on the interior then he needs to make the switch since we're stuck w/ him. Draft a franchise tackle and decide whether he'll play on the left (moving Samuels to RT) or plug the rook into RT. We need franchise players on the line. If the FO 1) allows Jansen or Heyer to start at either tackle position and/or 2) stupidly settles for 2nd tier/3rd tier line talent through this replacement process this team will not even go 8-8 in each the next few seasons.

[MeanEvilSkin]

I agree with Goat.

In my dream scenario, we are able to trade down in the 20's and pick up Duke Robinson and get a 2nd round pick. Then we pick up Alex Mack or Luigs with that selection. In the third, we pick up Ziggy Hood to play DT. In the 5th, we pick up Alex Boone to eventually take over at RT.

No pretty picks in this draft. Just bring on the big uglies.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by MeanEvilSkin

I agree with Goat.

In my dream scenario, we are able to trade down in the 20's and pick up Duke Robinson and get a 2nd round pick. Then we pick up Alex Mack or Luigs with that selection. In the third, we pick up Ziggy Hood to play DT. In the 5th, we pick up Alex Boone to eventually take over at RT.

No pretty picks in this draft. Just bring on the big uglies.

Get of out of my dreams (but don't get into my car)

I'm really hoping we can trade down and get Robinson and Luigs as well.

[#21Taylor4Ever]

We should either take OT with our 1st round pick, then follow that up with DT, DE, and RB.

[markymark]

i think deal with the dline in FA and deal with the oline in the draft. the draft is really deep this year with offensive linemen. and theres a lot of FA d linemen out there that are still young that we possibly could sign.