The line is quite offensive right now

[MTK]

Yeah funny enough Williams hasn't looked half bad.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We might not have to give him a new deal for another season. With an uncapped year he won't become a UFA until year 5, same with Rogers.

Really didnt know that. Well he will be pretty decent backup.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

In my opinion, JC is only as good as those around him. When the offensive line is plowing running lanes for the backs and giving him time, JC can be quite effective. When the offensive line consists of Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, Rabach, and Dockery, he's going to play like &@*#.

Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best. Think how mamy games Rabach has cost us. He cost us up to 14 points last night with terrible snaps. He cost us the game against San Diego in 2005 that would have given us homefield advantage in the playoffs. He tried to cost us the game against Dallas in 2007 by getting flagged on 2 consecutive touchdown plays. He's garbage.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

In my opinion, JC is only as good as those around him. When the offensive line is plowing running lanes for the backs and giving him time, JC can be quite effective. When the offensive line consists of Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, Rabach, and Dockery, he's going to play like &@*#.

Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best. Think how mamy games Rabach has cost us. He cost us up to 14 points last night with terrible snaps. He cost us the game against San Diego in 2005 that would have given us homefield advantage in the playoffs. He tried to cost us the game against Dallas in 2007 by getting flagged on 2 consecutive touchdown plays. He's garbage.

Quality, rational post. Not seeing many of those around here this morning.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

In my opinion, JC is only as good as those around him. When the offensive line is plowing running lanes for the backs and giving him time, JC can be quite effective. When the offensive line consists of Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, Rabach, and Dockery, he's going to play like &@*#.

Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best. Think how mamy games Rabach has cost us. He cost us up to 14 points last night with terrible snaps. He cost us the game against San Diego in 2005 that would have given us homefield advantage in the playoffs. He tried to cost us the game against Dallas in 2007 by getting flagged on 2 consecutive touchdown plays. He's garbage.

Yeah I agree, that's why I'm hesitant to say that replacing JC and Portis is the answer.

If there's a worse OL out there right now I'd love to see it.

[diehardskin2982]

JC needs to sit. He has no faith in the line. The offensive line did what they could and most times they did a ok job. but Campbell doesn't give the team a chance. Opposing Defenses pin their ears back and tee off on our line because they know Campbell will eventually make a mistake.

[Trample the Elderly]

I told y'all that Raback was on his last legs, and that he should've been moved to guard. I told y'all we should have draft Mack, Loadholt, Oher, and or Robinson. Oh you're stupid Tramp, huh, you don't draft a center in the first round. You mean you're not happy that we picked up a DE with our first and with our third next year? Chaz Reinhardt and Deb'n Clark are going to step up. Stretch Armstrong is going to pull through.

Priorities! I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. You think this is bad? Our defense can handle Filthy compared to what's coming. Wait until New Orleans and Dallas. eff it . . . .

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

In my opinion, JC is only as good as those around him. When the offensive line is plowing running lanes for the backs and giving him time, JC can be quite effective. When the offensive line consists of Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, Rabach, and Dockery, he's going to play like &@*#.

Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best. Think how mamy games Rabach has cost us. He cost us up to 14 points last night with terrible snaps. He cost us the game against San Diego in 2005 that would have given us homefield advantage in the playoffs. He tried to cost us the game against Dallas in 2007 by getting flagged on 2 consecutive touchdown plays. He's garbage.

I would agree with that about the Oline, they are terrible. But when I watch JC this year and he gets time to make a play, 9 times out of 10 he cant. He is afraid to throw, gun-shy, going through progressions too fast and flat out missing guys who are open....I just havent seen it from him. The turnovers especially the fumbling...every QB gets hit but he fumbles more than others.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

JC needs to sit. He has no faith in the line. The offensive line did what they could and most times they did a ok job. but Campbell doesn't give the team a chance. Opposing Defenses pin their ears back and tee off on our line because they know Campbell will eventually make a mistake.

That's suicide. Collins would have been sacked at least 10 times last night. At least Campbell can avoid some sacks.

[Trample the Elderly]

Here's my next prediction. Y'all might have heard this before. Campbell is going to leave Washington looking just like Brunell. (Forrest Gump as a child) "Mama said they'd be my magic shoes!"

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by Buster

That's suicide. Collins would have been sacked at least 10 times last night. At least Campbell can avoid some sacks.

Jeff Garcia is the answer. He brings the attitude and he's been in a west coast offense all his career. He may not have a huge arm but he would give us a chance and he is also great in the pocket.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah funny enough Williams hasn't looked half bad.

While some have paused to make mockery of Williams, when you look at what we have as far as OL is concerned, I'm rather glad he rounded into shape to be able to help us as much as he has. Without him we'd be in even worse shape.

Some thought he would not play at all this season.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Jeff Garcia is the answer. He brings the attitude and he's been in a west coast offense all his career. He may not have a huge arm but he would give us a chance and he is also great in the pocket.

Are you his agent? You're posting this crazy idea everywhere.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

While some have paused to make mockery of Williams, when you look at what we have as far as OL is concerned, I'm rather glad he rounded into shape to be able to help us as much as he has. Without him we'd be in even worse shape.

Some thought he would not play at all this season.

He has proven to be a good backup, surprisingly. He is not a solution at RT long term. He is not starters material. I would like to see them keep him around for depth.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I told y'all that Raback was on his last legs, and that he should've been moved to guard. I told y'all we should have draft Mack, Loadholt, Oher, and or Robinson. Oh you're stupid Tramp, huh, you don't draft a center in the first round. You mean you're not happy that we picked up a DE with our first and with our third next year? Chaz Reinhardt and Deb'n Clark are going to step up. Stretch Armstrong is going to pull through.

Priorities! I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. You think this is bad? Our defense can handle Filthy compared to what's coming. Wait until New Orleans and Dallas. eff it . . . .

Trample - I agree and I remember many of your posts about getting Mack and I wish the Skins had listened. I truely think that the Skins draft 2 new lineman and 1 free agent - with the first pick being Russell Okung to solidify the left tackle spot for the next 5-7 years - if we are lucky enough that he is available when we pick. The other pick being either a guard or center - I just don't see us picking both bookend tackles in the same draft. I think we see both Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels gone from the Redskins next year - I like both of these guys but we need to recommit to building the line with youth and using high picks to get them. If the CBA falls through and we go uncapped I can see the Skins going extreme and using the 1st and 2nd round picks on lineman and plugging the other 2 offensive lineman positions with free agents -the only holdover would be Dockery as the other 4 are nothing to build the long term future with. even with this next year would be a learning year as the new line gets in sync and used to eachother.

Also I think the stopgap measure is we bring in a veteran qb to be picked by the next coach/gm and let him take the reigns for a year or two or use Colt - as many have correctly pointed out it does not matter who you put back there without a decent line they will be killed.