Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Where is everyone getting this three years stuff from? 2010 is the year in question. Nothing beyond.

For all the "NO" people out there, who do you want that could be any better?

We already know we have a solid but unspectacular QB in Campbell. I think most people agree that with our receiving corps improving, if we give JC a decent line and running game he can be a lot better. What if we don't bring him back and use a high first rounder on a QB that ends up being a bust? Top QB draft choices are a huge roll of the dice. If we miss on one and let Campbell walk, it could set us back a lot more than three years.

What exactly is he solid at? Solid at not taking chances, at not throwing to receiver in stride, at reading a defense? He is pretty solid at intentional grounding.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by CHAMP757

yes, given an o-line , a real offensive coordinator and a little coaching i think we could win with campbell, go get vick atleast he knows how to run

With the seven offenses that Campbell has had I'm saying no. I don't want to be sitting here at the end of next season reading comments on here about how Campbell just's needs another year under Shannahan. JC could of been a good QB, but i think the redskins ruined him by there constant change of offensive playcalling and the inability to build a line. Let's start fresh with a QB that the new coach wants and not just stick with another Gibbs leftover.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I voted No and its because I don't think he can read the D and has trouble finding the open man and that even when he has time. He never hits a WR comeing out of their break but waits to see if they can get wide open and never hits that window. I cannot remember the last time he threw a ball up so only our guy could make the play instead it sails over everyones head or bounces of the ground. He is tough and has heart but that does not always make a good/great NFL QB.

No, for the reasons you state. He played well for a stretch after the change in playcaller, but has returned to form in the past two games. It certainly is not all his fault, and he probably was never given a great chance to succeed in Washington for a variety of reasons, but it is time to move on rather than get caught in a Jake Delhomme/Marc Bulger/David Garrard type situation (average to below average QB with an above average contract). In a perfect world the Skins could get some compensation for him (a 28 year old QB with starting experience and good statistics should be worth something). In a fantasy land we might hope for a 2nd, but it would probably be more realistic to look for a 4th (that is, give him a high tender as an RFA and then negotiate a trade with another team).

[Dirtbag59]

I'd rather get Bradford and draft 2 or 3 O-Line prospects from the second round onward. The best teams with quality lines either get them through free agency or draft and develop them from rounds 2-7. Shannahan can develop rookie QB's quickly and both Ryan and Flacco saw success during their rookie year.

Ironically the Falcons had a worse line then us but with the right QB, scheme, and coaching they were able to make the playoff run we saw last year. Obviously I'm not advocating ignoring the O-Line instead I'm insisting on looking for quantity as well as quality. Maybe 1 or 2 free agents along with 2 or 3 draft picks.

I feel like a broken record at this point but the fans in Atlanta in 2008 wanted the brass to select Glen Dorsey instead of Matt Ryan now the fans couldn't be happier with the selection.

However if Shannahan thinks that we need to draft a guy like Okung first and then trade up a little from our second round spot to get McCoy then more power to him. Both Bradford and McCoy seem to fit the mold in terms of making the rollouts Shannahan likes to use.

[BDBohnzie]

Short Answer is no. Long answer is, while the potential is there, I don't want Campbell back in 2010. Not to say I'm going to hem and haw if he is, but he's proven to be nothing more than average. The Skins do not have time to find out if he'll ever fully live up to his potential. There are simply too many holes on the O-Line to turn it around in 1 year, much less 2 or 3. And while the Skins need a stopgap between Campbell and the next big thing, and he's adequate, I'd rather see Shanny start anew.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Short Answer is no. Long answer is, while the potential is there, I don't want Campbell back in 2010. Not to say I'm going to hem and haw if he is, but he's proven to be nothing more than average. The Skins do not have time to find out if he'll ever fully live up to his potential. There are simply too many holes on the O-Line to turn it around in 1 year, much less 2 or 3. And while the Skins need a stopgap between Campbell and the next big thing, and he's adequate, I'd rather see Shanny start anew.

Well said BD

[irish]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Short Answer is no. Long answer is, while the potential is there, I don't want Campbell back in 2010. Not to say I'm going to hem and haw if he is, but he's proven to be nothing more than average. The Skins do not have time to find out if he'll ever fully live up to his potential. There are simply too many holes on the O-Line to turn it around in 1 year, much less 2 or 3. And while the Skins need a stopgap between Campbell and the next big thing, and he's adequate, I'd rather see Shanny start anew.

The best post we'll see in this thread.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Short Answer is no. Long answer is, while the potential is there, I don't want Campbell back in 2010. Not to say I'm going to hem and haw if he is, but he's proven to be nothing more than average. The Skins do not have time to find out if he'll ever fully live up to his potential. There are simply too many holes on the O-Line to turn it around in 1 year, much less 2 or 3. And while the Skins need a stopgap between Campbell and the next big thing, and he's adequate, I'd rather see Shanny start anew.

Truth is the skins are nowhere near superbowl contention moreless NFC East Champs next couple of years. Is time really a factor it's obvious he doesn't have protect now why place a high dollar investment in danger. When you have a guy that is first round draft that has shown his talent doesn't have a 30+ million dollar contract hasn't had the proper tools around him from day one. The WR corp sucked when he took over the team for Brunell, the line has been injured & subpar every year since he has taken over.

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

Truth is the skins are nowhere near superbowl contention moreless NFC East Champs next couple of years. Is time really a factor it's obvious he doesn't have protect now why place a high dollar investment in danger. When you have a guy that is first round draft that has shown his talent doesn't have a 30+ million dollar contract hasn't had the proper tools around him from day one. The WR corp sucked when he took over the team for Brunell, the line has been injured & subpar every year since he has taken over.

While I agree the Skins are nowhere near a Super Bowl contender, looking at the state of the NFC East, I believe they are within 3 years of winning the division, given that Allen and Shanny make the necessary moves to fill the holes.

I bolded your last sentence because I feel it's a pretty weak argument. For one, here are the WRs that were around when Campbell took the reins from Brunell in 2006: Moss, Randle El, Lloyd, Cooley, Thrash. 3 of those 5 guys are still around and the other 2 pieces have been improved in my opinion (Kelly, Thomas). Add Davis, and Campbell has it better now than he did in 2006.

As far as the O-Line goes, you can argue it's been subpar but you can argue that is has been adequate at times as well (Not this year). However, that comes and goes with the territory. An above average QB (see Rodgers, Aaron this year) can overcome a horrible O-Line.

How many more years of an average QB can the Redskins endure waiting for Campbell to find his spark? Other QBs have wasted no time proving that they are worthy of taking the reins. And while I want nothing more than Campbell to succeed, I just don't see it happening as a Redskin.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Simple yes or no.

No caveats. No "only as a backup" No "only get rid of him if we can get at least a 2nd rounder back" No "what are the cap implications"

None of that. Do you want Jason Campbell on the Redskins in 2010.

Yes or no?

I've come to the conclusion that my answer is no. I like Campbell and think he can be very good one day. But I want great, and I'm no longer convinced he can be.

I wanted him back up until this weekend when I saw McNabb against Denver. When the game was on the line Mcnabb basically took over. He ran for 25 yards on a 3-20 and threw a laser to Macklin to get them into fg position.....game, set match. This is what great players do. When things are down you need your QB to take over and as much as we all like JC, he could never do what McNabb did last Sunday. It's time to move on.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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I wanted him back up until this weekend when I saw McNabb against Denver. When the game was on the line Mcnabb basically took over. He ran for 25 yards on a 3-20 and threw a laser to Macklin to get them into fg position.....game, set match. This is what great players do. When things are down you need your QB to take over and as much as we all like JC, he could never do what McNabb did last Sunday. It's time to move on.

I agree, JC's numbers look decent but like I've said in the past the numbers dont tell the whole story. JC is not a playmaker and with the game on the line he shows again & again he cant take over and win a game.

[Paintrain]

Yes because I believe in 3 years with the same exact circumstances he will be a better QB than anyone on the FA market and any college QB. In evaluating the answer, I looked at it as if we upgrade the OL, upgrade our RB and Thomas/Kelly/Mitchell continue to develop then would Campbell be better than Kellen Clemens, Kyle Orton (best FA available) or Sam Bradford, Jimmy Clausen. To me the answer is clearly yes.

As BAD as things have been this year, we cannot ignore 64% completions, nearly 3,500 yards, nearly 20 TD and an 85+ QB rating. If he can put up those numbers with 11 different starting OL, a 4th string RB who wasn't on a roster at the beginning of the season, our 2nd string TE and the play calling follies we've witnessed, I don't see how we can be any worse with those spots upgraded and him returning under a borderline Hall of Fame coach.

[Daseal]

I voted yes, but don't sign him to a big/long term contract. Give him 2-3 more years.

[SouperMeister]

Give Campbell the protection that Tony Romo and Eli Manning had the last two weeks against our defense, and he will do just fine, especially with our improving young receivers. There is a reason that a high percentage of Campbell's completions are under 10 yards - if the ball isn't out of his hand in 2-3 seconds, he's usually getting planted by the opposing pass rush. If Bruce Allen's highest priority isn't bolstering the O-line, then it will be business as usual with dysfunction continuing to reign around here.

[davy]

No.

He has a couple of games where you think he's ok and you can win with him, then he goes back to playing really dumb and you wonder what you saw in him.

So frustrating.

I'm tired of yelling "throw it! throw it! throw it!.....damn, sack" or "step up! step up! step up!.....damn, sack" or "run with it! run with it! run with it!.....damn, sack".