Colt Brennan vs Rookie class

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

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I'm sorry did you say Bret Favre cost them the game?. His best weapons all fumbled on him 5 turn overs if anything. How can you say you wouldn't Want Favre who led a very good Vikes team to one game to the SB. Honestly the Saints cheated out the Vikes. Bret Favre had a career year and I would take him over Jason Candle any type of years , even Bret-Jet-Favre .


And Jay Cutler is a pro-bowler who is good and is a INT thrower but he is also a TD machine Thrower.

Both are pro-bowlers. One has a SB.

Jason Candle doesnt have neither or was considered one. And your acting like Candle never cost us the game at all?????he makes us look bad against bad teams. Bring in Favre or Cutler I bet our O would do better no way our O can look as bad as this.

[MTK]

The Culters are always good for a laugh.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The Culters are always good for a laugh.

Yep.


Since he was drafted, I've called him our "backup of the future". I still think that could be his long-term role for us (Jim Sorgi role) but won't start, or at least do much as a starter if it somehow happens.

[Carnage]

Bradford reminds me of Brennan. He only played out of shotgun in spread formations. The stigma about the spread qb would seem to be fading. My vote is Colt. He's held the clipboard 2 years now and he might be ready. Can you imagine what we would have to pay Bradford?

[diehardskin2982]

How does Colt compare to Bradford? McCoy? Clausen? He also has 2 years of seasoning in the NFL. Does that put him above a rookie?

[MTK]

Stats may be overrated but so is pinning a W/L record on the QB alone. His W/L record is a reflection of the 21 other guys he's been playing with as well.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Stats may be overrated but so is pinning a W/L record on the QB alone. His W/L record is a reflection of the 21 other guys he's been playing with.

Fair enough. But Jason Candle isn't a winning QB at all and isn't an elite, even with the best everything he's a game manager at best. I don't even want this guy back as our starter till Bradford comes because we will potentially not beat any good teams but struggle with bad ones. When everything works( like it did early 08) he'll put up a 1td and no int's and look OK with a 100 yard rushing RB and the WR's doing pretty good.



His 77% of 10 yards and less throws sickens me. He's obviously afraid to go deep and the OL is an excuse when Collins can hit a 45 yarder twice on the first play in the Giants and Chefs game. He's not the best guy or our answer but he showed he had enough time to throw deep. I think we could have done better with Colt Brennan or Collins, a 4-12 record is absurd.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by redskins202

Fair enough. But Jason Candle isn't a winning QB at all and isn't an elite, even with the best everything he's a game manager at best. I don't even want this guy back as our starter till Bradford comes because we will potentially not beat any good teams but struggle with bad ones. When everything works( like it did early 08) he'll put up a 1td and no int's and look OK with a 100 yard rushing RB and the WR's doing pretty good.

Wow, what a freaking concept, you mean that if you put some talent around a QB and he will do a good job. What are the odds of that happening?

Originally Posted by redskins202

His 77% of 10 yards and less throws sickens me. He's obviously afraid to go deep and the OL is an excuse when Collins can hit a 45 yarder twice on the first play in the Giants and Chefs game. He's not the best guy or our answer but he showed he had enough time to throw deep. I think we could have done better with Colt Brennan or Collins, a 4-12 record is absurd.

In case you haven't noticed, there is a big difference between the play of a backup QB when he comes in relief of a starter and when teams can gameplan against them.

Here's an example from last season. When Matt Ryan fell to injury, Chris Redman came in and played a really good game. The next game that Atlanta played with Redman as the starter, he sucked. Why? Because the opposing team had time to gameplan. Collins has far more experience than Campbell, and that's why he looks good when he comes in quickly to sub in. In the long run, Collins would be dead.

I'm not advocating for Campbell, it is just frustrating to see the simple mindedness of some fans that completely overlooks the big elephant in the room (our offensive line's horrible play) and has the attitude of "if we just get rid of Campbell everything will be ok."

[redskins202]

No , I'm saying when he had alot he still did average. We won the Lions game because of Moss honestly and Portis.

-We won the Dallas game due to good defense and a overall good game by the Redskins. Best game Jason Candle had.

-We beat the Eagles because of Portis and our defense holding them down and Shawuns FG's that where 100% good. Overall tho Jason Candle did manage the game at best.

-We beat the Browns because of Portis. And the Browns are horrible.

Honestly our 6-2 record was overrated if anything.

Collins knew the playbook but he never started for it. And honestly there was a very good article about how Collins does in training Camp and probably a very smart QB. So he knew the playbook but knowing it doesn't cause you to get big games or accurate throws or accurate TD passes or ETC. You are what you are. I believe the system does mean something but playbook is an excuse if anything. Jay Cutler is a WCO QB but went to the Bears who didn't run it and put up 27 td's 26 int's with no WR's at all but people never credit Cutler for 27 td's and look at his 26 ints. He beat out Bret Favre and a healthy Vikes team legit.



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"if we just get rid of Campbell everything will be ok."

We are better without Candle. The OL is bad but when given time he does the same thing. OL does not let you:.

-Throw more accurate passes.
-Throw down the field perfect
- Make u read plays on the defense
-ETC


helps give you time and pick up the blitz better but for the OL to get better the QB has to read the plays. It won't happen all the time but Candle ability to not read any blitzes or coverages on the field made our OL worst than how it should of been. When given time he isn't good.


We had Chris Samuels for 10 years now and drafted him. It was a very good move, we had a very good OL with him about 7 years out of 10 and with any QB we had back there they didn't do anything.


Brunell had his last gas in 05 and he was a good part of a success of our playoff run but if we had a Tom Brady or real franchise QB back there than we probably would have won the SB. Our D was nasty with a good Portis and great Moss .


Todd Collins 07: Mysteriously our OL gets better as we'll as our offense and every thing around us. The D played a bit better( not saying it was cause of Todd) but we did better. The Seahawks just outplayed us and thats how it is in the playoffs. Even with an great OL you'll end up playing great defenses that would make your OL look AVG. Comes down to how good the D is and which QB plays better.


Jason Candle with time can't do anything. I find it very shelfish of him as we'll to try and get traded if we pick up a franchise QB. He isn't a starter for no one.


We can do better without Campbell because we have shown it. since our 6-2 record broke and combining it is a record of 6-42 I think. Something close to that and its unacceptable. Great reason for the 6-2 record was also based on nobody taking Zorn seriously and when they did we seen how it was.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by redskins202

[B]

We are better without Candle. The OL is bad but when given time he does the same thing. OL does not let you:.

-Throw more accurate passes.
-Throw down the field perfect
- Make u read plays on the defense
-ETC

what the shit are you talking about? can somebody tell me, because I don't think that you can...

more accuracy? once you can set your feet that helps
throw down the field perfectly? see the first answer
make you read plays? ummm when you have time it's a lot easier

I don't think that Campbell is necessarily our long-term answer and I'm not saying he's perfect in any of those categories but for you to say that the OL doesn't affect those attributes is moronic at best.

[Monkeydad]

Nice mature debate with the namecalling.

That stat that "sickens" you is directly attributable to the lack of an O-line. It's the result of him needing to get rid of the ball within 2-3 seconds after the snap. He's shown he CAN throw deep, but no QB can even attempt deep passes with no time or protection. Anyone who blames JC for that stat doesn't know much about football, or clocks.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Buster

Nice mature debate with the namecalling.

I can't respect a guy who got us a horrible season and did horrible against 4 winless teams and gave 2 of them there wins. I can't stand JASON CANDLE!!. Once this Candle is put out will maybe finally find some new hope .

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Buster

Nice mature debate with the namecalling.

That stat that "sickens" you is directly attributable to the lack of an O-line. It's the result of him needing to get rid of the ball within 2-3 seconds after the snap.

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Thats funny. Todd Collins can make an good argument about that.


See.

Chefs game
See MNF Giants game.

Only reason Candle comes back up from his poor piss reading plays is because he knows his job is on the line. I herd on the LaVar show on JAN 7th that he said he doesnt welcome or approve of us drafting a QB because he feels like hes a starter in this league. He proved that in 08 with the trade thing he wanted, (btw nobody wanted him because he sucked) and now he wont want it right now. If we get a trade for him than holla loya,

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by redskins202

Thats funny. Todd Collins can make an good argument about that.


See.

Chefs game
See MNF Giants game.

Only reason Candle comes back up from his poor piss reading plays is because he knows his job is on the line. I herd on the LaVar show on JAN 7th that he said he doesnt welcome or approve of us drafting a QB because he feels like hes a starter in this league. He proved that in 08 with the trade thing he wanted, (btw nobody wanted him because he sucked) and now he wont want it right now. If we get a trade for him than holla loya,

1 throw in each game won't get you there bud

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

1 throw in each game won't get you there bud

But I thought we never had time on the OL to go deep?.