Colt Brennan vs Rookie class

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Buster

Nice mature debate with the namecalling.

That stat that "sickens" you is directly attributable to the lack of an O-line. It's the result of him needing to get rid of the ball within 2-3 seconds after the snap.

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Thats funny. Todd Collins can make an good argument about that.


See.

Chefs game
See MNF Giants game.

Only reason Candle comes back up from his poor piss reading plays is because he knows his job is on the line. I herd on the LaVar show on JAN 7th that he said he doesnt welcome or approve of us drafting a QB because he feels like hes a starter in this league. He proved that in 08 with the trade thing he wanted, (btw nobody wanted him because he sucked) and now he wont want it right now. If we get a trade for him than holla loya,

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by redskins202

Thats funny. Todd Collins can make an good argument about that.


See.

Chefs game
See MNF Giants game.

Only reason Candle comes back up from his poor piss reading plays is because he knows his job is on the line. I herd on the LaVar show on JAN 7th that he said he doesnt welcome or approve of us drafting a QB because he feels like hes a starter in this league. He proved that in 08 with the trade thing he wanted, (btw nobody wanted him because he sucked) and now he wont want it right now. If we get a trade for him than holla loya,

1 throw in each game won't get you there bud

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

1 throw in each game won't get you there bud

But I thought we never had time on the OL to go deep?.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by redskins202

But I thought we never had time on the OL to go deep?.

Jesus you're dense. Campbell had similar throws. Is he the best at throwing the deep ball? No. Did he hold onto the ball too long/not protect it well enough at times? Sure! I can make any QB look mediocre by picking out a handful of plays a year or speaking on their weaknesses.

Let me explain why it worked for Collins; they didn't expect it. You bring in a backup and they expect you to go a bit easier on him with the throws or to hand the ball off. We surprised two teams with a couple of throws, it happens.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Jesus you're dense. Campbell had similar throws. Is he the best at throwing the deep ball? No. Did he hold onto the ball too long/not protect it well enough at times? Sure! I can make any QB look mediocre by picking out a handful of plays a year or speaking on their weaknesses.

Let me explain why it worked for Collins;

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Wait that doesnt make sense. Basically your saying it worked because the other team felt he was easier????. I mean you could of just have said " it worked because the OL gave him time on those plays and not for Campbell" but you said it worked because they didn't expect it?. No kidding because with Campbell 77% throws for 10 yards and less I wouldn't expect anything big either.

I mean but I agree on the Campbell part. Campbell isn't a WCO type of QB and regardless of his stats he's best year in my view was 07, he atleast connected on the deep balls alot better and shown more confidence .

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by redskins202

Wait that doesnt make sense. Basically your saying it worked because the other team felt he was easier????. I mean you could of just have said " it worked because the OL gave him time on those plays and not for Campbell" but you said it worked because they didn't expect it?. No kidding because with Campbell 77% throws for 10 yards and less I wouldn't expect anything big either.

I mean but I agree on the Campbell part. Campbell isn't a WCO type of QB and regardless of his stats he's best year in my view was 07, he atleast connected on the deep balls alot better and shown more confidence .

How does a qb show confidence when he is regularly battered on three step drops?

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Lotus

This was one bad year for Campbell on the OL. Infact all the other years he had a pretty good OL IDK why your saying he doesn't have confidence?. How could Big Ben and Aaron Rogers get more sacked up than Campbell and say they have no confidence?.

And the OL was bad but please tell me that Campbell didn't make it worst when he couldn't even read a old lady with a cain on a blitz postion coming?.

EDIT: And if he lost confidence it shows what kind of an leader he is. When all the other QB's get sacked or some one like Mcnabb you never hear him or other say " O we'll it was the team and this and that"- Jason Campbell speech.


Mcnabb and others admit they played bad and end up beastin the next week . Campbell doesn't have confidence in him self he's just a back up at best.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by redskins202

Wait that doesnt make sense. Basically your saying it worked because the other team felt he was easier????. I mean you could of just have said " it worked because the OL gave him time on those plays and not for Campbell" but you said it worked because they didn't expect it?. No kidding because with Campbell 77% throws for 10 yards and less I wouldn't expect anything big either.

I mean but I agree on the Campbell part. Campbell isn't a WCO type of QB and regardless of his stats he's best year in my view was 07, he atleast connected on the deep balls alot better and shown more confidence .

The other team didn't expect a bomb on the first play, were probably playing for a run or short pass. I find no reason to continue trying to discuss football with you.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

The other team didn't expect a bomb on the first play, were probably playing for a run or short pass. I find no reason to continue trying to discuss football with you.

I can't believe you just said that. I know Campbell lovers make excuses but your saying they didn't expect a long play????. Maybe Moss went down field because it was a route in part of a play. Collins went deep because he saw him down field and knew he had "TIME" to do so , he threw it out nice and quickly.


So how come Campbell couldn't go deep on his first plays?. with a 77% COMP rating you would think every team would expect us to do a 10 yarder but if Campbell went deep they surley wouldnt expect it. I mean........wow I'm shocked.

[Dirtbag59]

I'm so confused. Part of me thinks that if we find the right QB in the draft we have to take him, but if we fix the O-Line we can turn this around quickly, assuming that Kyle Shanahan can coach up Campbell. Honestly right now I'm torn.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I'm so confused. Part of me thinks that if we find the right QB in the draft we have to take him, but if we fix the O-Line we can turn this around quickly, assuming that Kyle Shanahan can coach up Campbell. Honestly right now I'm torn.

You're essentially right on both accounts. There's only one wrong answer to this offensive puzzle, and that's taking a quarterback at No. 4, and then assuming that their development will take care of the offense while we retool the defense.

Which, admittedly, is the solution many are proposing. Drafting a QB is going to do nothing to fix the OL, as people propose. Clausen has the same ball-holding tendencies that JC does. Bradford has a shoulder that may or may not ever fully heal, and could have an injury riddled career. You have to fix the OL whether or not you draft a QB, and free agency isn't giving you much help.

A problem that no one is talking about is that we might need to use the 2011 draft to help put together the offense that we began rebuilding with a quarterback in 2010. But even though the 2011 draft is definitely happening (per the CBA)...what if we can't sign any of the players we draft because of the strike? Are we really three years away from getting this QB onto the field? If so, why the rush?