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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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Why won't it? We're still the worst team in our division and we're only better than a few teams.

Entirely possible I guess. I'm just playing the percentages, we have an easy schedule and we're better than a number of teams as currently constructed.

Either way though, my point stands. If we suck bad enough to get the 1st overall pick then we get Andrew Luck regardless and no trade is needed. If we suck only bad enough to get the 2nd pick (or any other pick) there's no way the team with the 1st will trade out of it.

Either way, trading up for Andrew Luck will not happen.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think the idea that we could trade up for Andrew Luck just needs to be forgotten right now. If a team is bad enough this coming year to earn the #1 overall pick (the pick it will take to get Andrew Luck) then that team is quite likely to need an answer at QB.

There's no way anybody trades out of that spot. It's just like Bradford with the Rams last year, they had offers on the table, but they saw him there and turned them all down.

The only way we get Andrew Luck next year is if we're the worst team in the NFL. That just won't happen.

This. Except instead of saying that we won't be the worst team this year, I'd say that no one here should WISH us to be the worst team this year. If you are rooting to draft Luck, turn in your Skins fan card right now.

[Dirtbag59]

Just watched the Draft segment on SC with McShay. Here's what he's hearing.

-Newton will be the first pick in Carolina. Not confirmed yet but it seems like they're heading in that direction.

- Gabbert could go to Buffalo and Cincy but believes they'll both pass which results in him falling to Arizona

-Tennessee OC Chris Palmer (of David Carr in Houston fame) really likes Jake Locker and they might look to be one of St. Louis trade partners and trade back to 14. The thing is if they do decide to take Locker that they're worried about Washington at 10 and Minnesota at 12. So basically right now Locker is expected to go anywhere from 8 to 14.

- Dalton and Ponder have a chance to go in the first round but he believes without trades Ponder would go to Buffalo at 34 and Dalton would go to Cincy at 35.

So if McShay is right then here's what I see if we decide we want to come away with a QB in the first two rounds.

1. Either "reach" for someone at 10. The most likely candidate would be Locker.

2. Trade back and reach for Dalton or Ponder. Or if they like Locker see if he falls to where they trade back.

2a. Trade back, take someone like Kerrigan and use the extra pick gained in the trade back to trade up from 41.

3. Trade up using next years picks from 41 above Buffalo, Cincy, and Seattle to secure Dalton or Ponder.

4. Wait for one of the projects to fall in Kaepernick or Mallet at 41 or hope that Ponder experiences a Colt McCoy like dive.

[skinsfaninok]

Mallett won't last until 41, as for the 10th pick I want a QB. The NFL has changed , this isn't always draft OL or DL anymore. QB is more important now than ever especially with the latest rule changes, the redskins havnt had a young QB of the future in decades So yes we need to take one now

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Mallett won't last until 41, as for the 10th pick I want a QB. The NFL has changed , this isn't always draft OL or DL anymore. QB is more important now than ever especially with the latest rule changes, the redskins havnt had a young QB of the future in decades So yes we need to take one now

I couldn't agree with you more. As far as Mallett he definitely has a top 10 arm and I would take him at ten.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

4. Wait for one of the projects to fall in Kaepernick or Mallet at 41 or hope that Ponder experiences a Colt McCoy like dive.

Ryan Mallett is project? Do you even watch college football? He's the best passer in this draft.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by Landry44

Ryan Mallett is project? Do you even watch college football? He's the best passer in this draft.

I tend to agree, Mallet is the most plug and play ready out of all the QB's in this draft as long as you can protect him.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Landry44

Ryan Mallett is project? Do you even watch college football? He's the best passer in this draft.

I remember the Sugar Bowl.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not taking a QB at all in this draft?

Research shows that 2nd round QBs have been mostly disappointments, so unless you get a top flight guy in the 1st round it's basically a waste to take a QB in later rounds.

Do you trust the likes of Grossman or Beck? Or picking up a stop gap veteran such as Hasselbeck?

Usually any other year I would avoid second round QB's like the plague. However this class seems different. Especially in regards to guys like Dalton and Ponder who I believe can be exceptions to the rule. Mallet and Kaepernick scare me but in regards to this draft I have an attitude akin to "if they picked them they must have seen something they can work with."

Grossman and Beck while certainly not as bad as Anderson, Skelton, and Hall down in Arizona certainly scare me as the only two options. It's not that I don't believe they can succeed but at the very least I would want someone with a little more upside. Weather that be a first or second round rookie or a free agent like Vince Young.

So while it's not the end of the world going with Grossman and Beck I would still be pretty nervous about the future of this organization. QB's traditionally take the longest to develop and even if they can hit the ground running they still need around 3 years until they're ready to take on the rigors of postseason play and actually be considered a contender. Lineman on the other hand if they're good enough take half a season to develop, while the later round picks can take 1 to 2 years.

[Chico23231]

What would absolutely not be ok is to give away future draft picks to move up

[Swarley]

A late round pick used on a QB isn't "wasted". I'm sure you're all smart enough to realize that late round picks, regardless of position, are usually crapshoots to the extreme. I'm with Smoot, I'm ok if we dont take one in round 1 or 2, but I really hope we draft a QB at some point. We have no reason not to.

[skinsfan69]

Over the last 20 years how many seasons has this team had outstanding QB play from start to finish? I can think of two seasons...Brad Johnson 1999 and Mark Rypien 1992. It's time to get a potentially great qb who can wins games.... and the only way to do that is to suck really bad in 2011 to have a chance to draft Luck in 2012.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Over the last 20 years how many seasons has this team had outstanding QB play from start to finish? I can think of two seasons...Brad Johnson 1999 and Mark Rypien 1992. It's time to get a potentially great qb who can wins games.... and the only way to do that is to suck really bad in 2011 to have a chance to draft Luck in 2012.

I assume that our new cheer would go something like "Suck Skins Suck!". I dunno, it just doesn't feel right to me. I'm hoping that there's some other way to build a winner.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I assume that our new cheer would go something like "Suck Skins Suck!". I dunno, it just doesn't feel right to me. I'm hoping that there's some other way to build a winner.

It doesn't feel right to me either but I just feel in todays NFL you have to have a top tier QB.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It doesn't feel right to me either but I just feel in todays NFL you have to have a top tier QB.

You also need a good all around team. We have many needs beyond QB.