Kornheiser believes Skins would make run at Moss

[Daseal]

As I said - Moss needs strong leadership to take him on. I feel we have that in our coaching staff. If he starts being an ass - he gets fined and sits a game. He'll learn. He's a bit of a leader himself, you see him on the sidelines rallying the guys? I have yet to see that from an offensive player on the skins for years. Maybe someone who's not a big name does it, maybe I just haven't noticed.

He brings an unbelievable amount of talent, he's a local kid (at least went to college in WV), and would demand attention from other teams. Why are people so down on Moss? Because he left the field early? As far as I'm concerned it may have been the right decesion. These guys plays with their emotions, and often are fueled by their emotions during the game. Randy Moss left the sidelines so he wouldn't do/say anything stupid that he'd regret. He wanted to just go in and mitigate that. I feel he finally did the right thing and DIDNT blow up all over a coach/player on TV and he got demonized.

Or the whole thing about mooning? Please. That wasn't horrible by any stretch of the imagination. I thought it was a little funny myself. The reporters wanted to talk about it, he said why don't you look where the W is. After constant pestering he said my personal favorite, "We kicked their ass" and walked away. When asked about the fine, of course it doesn't bother him, and I for one would like to see him "shake his dick" in a Redskins uniform as he grabs his 2nd TD pass against Dallas.

Does he have the ability to get out of control? Yes. Do we have coaching and veteran leadership that can calm him down and mold him into a team receiver? I think he's matured a lot since he got into the league and is constantly learning.

I'm not saying we trade our stars for him, or break the bank for him. However if we can get him for a draft pick and a mediocre player (Wynn, Bowen/Lott/Clark), Brunell.....whoops, slipped into a dream, Gardner, McCants, etc then sure. I'd give up two first rounders and one of the above for Randy.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by Daseal

As I said - Moss needs strong leadership to take him on. I feel we have that in our coaching staff. If he starts being an ass - he gets fined and sits a game. He'll learn. He's a bit of a leader himself, you see him on the sidelines rallying the guys? I have yet to see that from an offensive player on the skins for years. Maybe someone who's not a big name does it, maybe I just haven't noticed.

He brings an unbelievable amount of talent, he's a local kid (at least went to college in WV), and would demand attention from other teams. Why are people so down on Moss? Because he left the field early? As far as I'm concerned it may have been the right decesion. These guys plays with their emotions, and often are fueled by their emotions during the game. Randy Moss left the sidelines so he wouldn't do/say anything stupid that he'd regret. He wanted to just go in and mitigate that. I feel he finally did the right thing and DIDNT blow up all over a coach/player on TV and he got demonized.

Or the whole thing about mooning? Please. That wasn't horrible by any stretch of the imagination. I thought it was a little funny myself. The reporters wanted to talk about it, he said why don't you look where the W is. After constant pestering he said my personal favorite, "We kicked their ass" and walked away. When asked about the fine, of course it doesn't bother him, and I for one would like to see him "shake his dick" in a Redskins uniform as he grabs his 2nd TD pass against Dallas.

Does he have the ability to get out of control? Yes. Do we have coaching and veteran leadership that can calm him down and mold him into a team receiver? I think he's matured a lot since he got into the league and is constantly learning.

I'm not saying we trade our stars for him, or break the bank for him. However if we can get him for a draft pick and a mediocre player (Wynn, Bowen/Lott/Clark), Brunell.....whoops, slipped into a dream, Gardner, McCants, etc then sure. I'd give up two first rounders and one of the above for Randy.

I agree with Daseal, I mean think about it, Gibbs has handled the likes of Riggins, Mannly(sp), Marshall and so on. So I say, what is Moss to him? Just another challange that he may like to take head on. Who knows maybe our coaching staff is what Moss needs to straighten him out!!!!

[Gmanc711]

We dont have the money to pay his 7.5 cap hit next year. Plain and Simple, Randy Moss will not be a Washington Redskin next year.

[BleedBurgundy]

Wow. I kept expecting to see a Sports Curmudgeon response to this thread, but apparently, no dice. For my part, anyone who thinks that the price for Mr. Moss will be less than a king's ransom is not well connected with reality. Quick, who's the best receiver in the game? What's the first name that jumped into your heads? About a third of you said TO, another third said Moss, with the remaining third a mixed bag. Love him or hate him, Randy Moss changes any game he plays in. You HAVE to gameplan around him and make stopping #84 the cornerstone of your defensive plans that week. That's unquestionable. We will not get Moss in free agency because of several factors:

1. It's a bad idea from a character standpoint. Coach Gibbs likes character, and highly motivated individuals. Randy Moss doesn't present either of those qualities in any recognizable quantity. As long as Gibbs has personnel control/majority say, Moss doesn't come to DC unless it's for a road game. Period.

2. What the hell are we going to give up for him? The face of our defense, even if he is a little overrated in LaVar? The one guy who has been behind the franchise the whole time he's been here in some horrible conditions? Nah. What about the stud RB we just gave up our perennial pro bowl CB and a 2nd round pick for? Hmmm, probably not. Better yet, Gardner, who's hands are so obviously made out of stone that they could have been crafted by Michelangelo? Not feeling that one either. Oh, I know, DRAFT PICKS. Yes, let's mortgage our future for a loose cannon that can be as deadly to his own team as to the opposition. Please.

3. Portis signed such a large contract with us that, for a time, he was the highest paid back. LaVar isn't far from the highest paid LB. Moss will be the highest paid WR for most of the rest of his career. How many big money players can we realistically carry? Snyder has done an admirable job of financial juggling but I'm quite sure that even his talents have limits.

4. Turnover is killing this franchise. Over and over and over again, we see what happens from constant change. NO PLAYOFFS. While Moss himself would only be one added player, figure with that the players that would need to be traded and the shift in locker room leadership that would take place. He would disrupt a team that has only now started to get some stability. Why would you want that?

This team has a HOF head coach. We've got a serviceable qb, a great young rb, a gutsy WR who needs to heal, a nice halfback in Cooley and an improving o-line. Our Defense was ranked #3 while missing some key starters last year. Why do we seem to be thinking that personnel is the area needing improvement? We have the bases covered. This team is NOT that far away. Especially not in our conference. Moss is the type of gamble that a team needs to take when it does not have any other chance of success or when it is so stable that a little distraction will not be deadly. We are neither of those scenarios. What we have going needs time to grow and knee jerk reactions will kill it.

[Luxorreb]

I don't believe Moss will end up a Redskin. Too much cash and Gibbs believe in a team. By that I mean team building on what he's got and adding to without breaking the 'brunell' bank. I must say here that I don't believe Randy Moss is incapable of being on a team. He is a great player with incredible ability and someone that's been leaned on by his team for most of his career.
I'm truly saddened by the unconcious or otherwise effect the MEDIA has on you people concerning Randy Moss. Was his fake moon really dispicable? There was no flag? I think of dispicable as a flagrant head to head, forearm to head, spearing a downed player, kicking someone, etc. Think about it if the media was as it is now back when Manley and Riggins were playing the whole Gibbs' character integrity thing would probably not exist today. You don't think we wouldn't have to hear dipshits on espn or sports radio rant over and over about Riggins being loaded talking shit to Sandra Day O'Conner? Or Dexter's inability to read and love for cocaine? Come on people! The media has influenced this bs. Randy Moss may not be perfect, but he is far from evil and a damage to the NFL. I'm not necessarily in favor of him being a Redskin. He is a great player and does get stupid sometimes. But his stupidity doesn't end up costing the Vikings as many yards as our OL. And Randy Moss had 17 TD's in the regular season. Let him fake moon whoever he wants if he's rolling like that! Are you people crazy? Coles and Moss on the field? That wouldn't be good? Gimme that shit youre smoking!

[Shane]

Originally Posted by Luxorreb

Randy Moss may not be perfect, but he is far from evil and a damage to the NFL. I'm not necessarily in favor of him being a Redskin. He is a great player and does get stupid sometimes. But his stupidity doesn't end up costing the Vikings as many yards as our OL. And Randy Moss had 17 TD's in the regular season. Let him fake moon whoever he wants if he's rolling like that! Are you people crazy? Coles and Moss on the field? That wouldn't be good? Gimme that shit youre smoking!

Randy Moss is extremely immature and pampered. The Vikings can't go anywhere as a team because to keep Moss in line they have set up a whole set of special rules for him and another set of rules for everyone else. With that sort of division, there is no way in the world the Vikings could be expected to play far into the postseason in this league. When you deal with Moss types, those are the kind of things that can happen. Or in Tampa, you have an intolerant approach toward players perceived as divisive and you get the same disruptive results.

We want a winning team that we can respect, a team based on cooperation and unity. We are building that here, like they have in New England apparently - and that precludes bringing in people just due to their talent, in my view.

If you feel like Philly did with Owens that a player might be overrated as a troublemaker and can be brought under control, maybe you roll the dice and hope that you get rewarded for the risk. With Moss, he seems so outrageously self-centered that I don't think it is worth it. He would be such a drain and a distraction - far worse than whatever touchdowns he catches most likely.

[Luxorreb]

I don't disagree with ya Shane that a cancer can cause problems. But Moss isn't the reason the Vikings didn't continue in the playoffs. And honestly I'd be content with Moss on my team. Moss probably would too. Did the Redskins offense score 17 TD's this year? I'll add again that I don't think Moss as a Redskin next season is probable.

[Daseal]

I also don't think it's probable, but for arguments sake whether I want him or not, I do.

The approach of going after stars doesn't work.

What do you call Clinton Portis? He's a self-loving young star. We got him, he has the typical Miami attitude. Same thing with Sean Taylor. He's yet to become a star, but he'll get there.

[Luxorreb]

can't argue w/ stats unless you're talking about HOF status!

[Daseal]

FRPLG, what I'm saying is Arizona has other pressing needs than a WR. They have three very good WR's, in my opinion. Shipp was hurt this year, but I feel he is a capable back and could carry the load for Arizona by himself. Arizona needs line help, along with a little help on defense and they'll be a good team. It would suprise me if they're willing to pay/trade what they'd have to to get Moss.

[celts32]

I vote no on Moss, but not becasue I think he is to big of a distraction to win with. I vote no becasue the Redskins have proven that big free agent splashes do not work for them. It's time to do it another way.

As for Moss, if he is such a cancer then why did the Vikings downfall start when he was out with an injury.

[MTK]

There's no denying the impact he would have on the field, there's also no denying the impact he would have off it as well.

Whether it's the media's fault or not, Moss is a distraction. The fact that the Vikings are considering dealing away the most dangerous WR in the game is telling, and it's definitely not all financial reasons. They're tired of his antics and they're tired of the distractions.

From him walking off the field to mooning the crowd to making wise ass comments about his fine, he's always drawing attention away from the team. As much as the rest of the team tries to say the right things and cover up for him, you can't tell me behind the scenes his teammates aren't tired of him.

[FRPLG]

We'll have to disagree on Shipp. Green will jump at a chance to bring in Moss. We're not talking about a slight upgrade here. Moss is far better than Bouldin and Fitz...that is saying a lot but it is true. Green will think he can control Moss and Moss gives Arz an immediate offense and could make McCown look like a real QB. If they have the bullets he is a Cardinal next year.

[MTK]

Seems like the Cards are pretty set at WR and could use an upgrade at RB more than WR.

I've also heard the rumor that Green may try to obtain Bennett from the Vikes.

[FRPLG]

I think if you ignore the antics and the potential issues he brings then a trade of Bouldin and a DL and maybe even like a 3rd rounder is could very well happen. They'll think it is worht it for the upgrade in skill he brings, the production he brings for other players and the respect he'll bring to the offense. I am not saying I think it would be a good trade but I think they would do it. They key is whether they can rationalize bringing him in by ignoring the issues he brings. The only guy in the league who could honestly ignore the issues is Green. He could rationalize away the issues all day. I'd say this is 60/40 for happening if I were betting.

No way I'd do it though.