Taylor to Return w/o Restructure or Paycut

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, he's under a contract we assumed when we traded for him. That contract runs through the '09 season. So the numbers being discussed are with his salary on the books.

Thanks for the clarification man, much appreciated. I thought the numbers here were coming from Schneed's salary cap thread which (i thought) assumed Taylor would basically take the 8.5 over two years essentially halving his salary this season... therefor if he took the entire chunk this year we'd be just over the salary cap at this point. My bad...

[44ever]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, he's under a contract we assumed when we traded for him. That contract runs through the '09 season. So the numbers being discussed are with his salary on the books.

Oh. I didn't know that. Thanks

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Thanks for the clarification man, much appreciated. I thought the numbers here were coming from Schneed's salary cap thread which (i thought) assumed Taylor would basically take the 8.5 over two years essentially halving his salary this season... therefor if he took the entire chunk this year we'd be just over the salary cap at this point. My bad...

This spreadsheet is under "Salary Cap Info" on the second drop down box from the left at the top of the screen:

http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

Note the tabs at the bottom of the screen for all kinds of info.

[Ruhskins]

Alright, here's another source of this story. I was beginning to wonder if this was just speculation.

Jason Taylor's Agent Says Defensive End Will Return to Washington Redskins for 2009 Season - washingtonpost.com

My question for the salary cap gurus, if we had restructured Jason Taylor's contract, what would that have meant? Would that have meant extended his contract so we owe money to Taylor beyond the 2009 season? If so, then wouldn't we just want to be over and done with at the end of 2009? I mean, we're in this cap hell b/c we keep restructuring the contracts of aging players, so as much as bringing JT back for his full salary pisses you off, just be glad that this won't affect our salary cap beyond 2009 (yeah I know there's the whole issue with the CBA and stuff, but that hasn't been figured out).

Finally, JT said he would play two years and he's honoring that promise. Good for him, in a time when we see players not honoring their contracts (CJ, Boldin, etc., etc.) Taylor has decided to honor his. I think (and hope) that he sees this year as his redemption year. He'll be healthy, he's not dancing with the stars, and hopefully Blache will use him better.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Alright, here's another source of this story. I was beginning to wonder if this was just speculation.

Jason Taylor's Agent Says Defensive End Will Return to Washington Redskins for 2009 Season - washingtonpost.com

My question for the salary cap gurus, if we had restructured Jason Taylor's contract, what would that have meant? Would that have meant extended his contract so we owe money to Taylor beyond the 2009 season? If so, then wouldn't we just want to be over and done with at the end of 2009? I mean, we're in this cap hell b/c we keep restructuring the contracts of aging players, so as much as bringing JT back for his full salary pisses you off, just be glad that this won't affect our salary cap beyond 2009 (yeah I know there's the whole issue with the CBA and stuff, but that hasn't been figured out).

Finally, JT said he would play two years and he's honoring that promise. Good for him, in a time when we see players not honoring their contracts (CJ, Boldin, etc., etc.) Taylor has decided to honor his. I think (and hope) that he sees this year as his redemption year. He'll be healthy, he's not dancing with the stars, and hopefully Blache will use him better.

According to the article JT didn't fit Blaches scheme last year which is stop the run first and they're looking at ways to free him up this year. I certainly hope they do, or why would you sign a pass rushing DE for 8.5 mil to play in a defense geared to stop the run which is something he's not that good at?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

According to the article JT didn't fit Blaches scheme last year which is stop the run first and they're looking at ways to free him up this year. I certainly hope they do, or why would you sign a pass rushing DE for 8.5 mil to play in a defense geared to stop the run which is something he's not that good at?

Like the article says Taylor gets down to about 240 lbs during the season... that's downright scrawny for a LDE. I think the conventional wisdom is Taylor has to play RDE to be at his very best and if we don't slide him in there then his talent/ability is somewhat wasted.

[MTK]

If we do indeed bring him back it's a complete waste of time unless we turn him loose and let him do what he does best.

[Eknox]

We should move him to right DE

[The Goat]

... and btw if Carter gets moved to LDE I hope Blache or someone suggests he let his body fat to explode beyond 3% LOL. I guess he runs around 255 lbs during the season and I don't see any reason he couldn't pack on a few more pounds.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If we do indeed bring him back it's a complete waste of time unless we turn him loose and let him do what he does best.

Exactly.. We've got to let players do what they do best rather than try to cram them into fitting a scheme that doesn't fit what they do best.

After the '07 season everyone down in Miami was talking about what a bust Joey Porter was and he was a waste of money and a position. The new coaching staff put him place to succeed and he put up numbers similar to his career previously in '08.

Putting Taylor in a rover DE/WLB position and let him go after the passer gives him and us the best usage of his abilities.

[CRedskinsRule]

I voted that I hate the move even though I like that he is returning. I hate that they could not find a way to reduce his price tag.

[Daseal]

I think the injury last season really hampered him. I think his play early and late in the year was pretty good. I bet JT comes back and earns his Salary.

Paintrain -- what makes you think JT at WLB is "what he does best." As far as I know, he has never played that position and has always played DE throughout his career. Can he run? I know he's a very tall TE -- how big of a liability in coverage would he be? And I really don't see much attacking, especially from LBs coming from Blache.

[SBXVII]

"Before the trade was done, he was asked if he would play out his two years left on the contract, and he said, 'Absolutely,' " Wichard said. "They asked for a two-year commitment from Jason. They gave up a lot to get him, so I understand why they did, and we gave them that commitment. That was the deal, so there's nothing new there. They weren't doing it for one year and we weren't doing it for one year. It was two years on both sides."

Gotta love is agent for trying to keep Taylor from getting the axe for CAP reasons. LOL.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think the injury last season really hampered him. I think his play early and late in the year was pretty good. I bet JT comes back and earns his Salary.

Paintrain -- what makes you think JT at WLB is "what he does best." As far as I know, he has never played that position and has always played DE throughout his career. Can he run? I know he's a very tall TE -- how big of a liability in coverage would he be? And I really don't see much attacking, especially from LBs coming from Blache.

Well I probably stated that wrong. What he does best is play attack the QB which he can do best from the left DE position or WLB. In our defense, as constructed we don't have an open position for him where he'd be most effective. I guess I am saying the same as Matty, if he's going to be here let's all hope that he's going to be used to maximize his talents vs trying to fit him into the system.

[redsk1]

The guy is a HOF player who had devastating injuries last year. If healthy JT could be a real beast for us. He's in great shape and is only 34. Come on guys, most were excited about this move last year. It's his contract. It's what we accepted.