Report: Shanahan in Talks with Redskins

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

The Rooney Rule is garbage.... no one says we should try out white RBs before we sign a black one....its a freaking joke. The NFL is about winning, if an owner is still dumb enough to NOT hire the best coach for the job regardless of color his record will prove his incompitence. The rule is insulting and demeaning.

I'm sorry but your post seems a bit unintelligent. Nothing in the Rooney Rule says that a minority candidate should be interviewed before a non-minority. The Rule just wants to make sure that owners interview at least one or two qualified minority candidates. Nothing in the Rule says that owners have to hire these minority candidates. And many agree that the rule at the least gives these candidates exposure in the league and/or the opportunity to go through an interview process that historically they have not gotten.

I highly doubt that in the past couple of years, a less qualified minority candidate has been hired over a qualified non-minority; or that non-minority candidates have lost opportunities because of the Rooney Rule. Also, the Rule gives teams the flexibility of bypass it if an assistant becomes a coach-in-waiting (i.e. Mora Jr. in Seattle).

For people that are "concerned" about how this affect minority candidates in regards to having these interviews when there's a clearcut candidate in mind, well they have the option to decline these interviews just like it happen in Detroit when Mooch was hired. Otherwise, I'm sure some young minority head coach or executive would see an interview as an opportunity.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by 47FAN

how do we know zorn hasnt agreed to take lesser roll there for it opens the headcoaching job up. just a thought

I don't know about Zorn but there's no way I would take a demotion in the same organization. It's best to move on and find something else, maybe wherever Holmgren lands.

[hooskins]

Its very easy to say the Rooney rule is wrong, without properly understanding why it is in place. Its not like the general job market, which is much more porous and open. The coaching and involvement with the NFL was very much a "Country-Club" only deal. There have to be rules to prevent that kinda of self-sustaining discrimination.

There never would be a qualified minority candidate if they dont get a chance.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Its very easy to say the Rooney rule is wrong, without properly understanding why it is in place. Its not like the general job market, which is much more porous and open. The coaching and involvement with the NFL was very much a "Country-Club" only deal. There have to be rules to prevent that kinda of self-sustaining discrimination.

There never would be a qualified minority candidate if they dont get a chance.

Apprehension has always been associated with the Rooney Rule by many people because of the limitations it faces in effecting it's intended purpose. Owners are going to hire who they want to hire to run or coach their respective programs. The rule is to give the impression that fairness is being implemented in the process.

[hooskins]

Do you guys think Zorn will actually take a demotion? Again? That is harsh, we already gutted him once. I dont know if I could stomach that again, if I was in his position.

[pg86]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Do you guys think Zorn will actually take a demotion? Again? That is harsh, we already gutted him once. I dont know if I could stomach that again, if I was in his position.

I get the feeling Jim knows where he's needed and its not the HC position plus dans got the money to retain him at a lower position lets be honest. Not just that can Jason take another system change hell does he even stay???

[Coff]

Originally Posted by pg86

I get the feeling Jim knows where he's needed and its not the HC position plus dans got the money to retain him at a lower position lets be honest. Not just that can Jason take another system change hell does he even stay???

Money is a big issue here. Zorn has every reason not to accept a demontion if it means renegotiating his salary, which probably would since management would understand the problems that could be caused by having an assistanc coach get paid a head coach salary.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Coff

Money is a big issue here. Zorn has every reason not to accept a demontion if it means renegotiating his salary, which probably would since management would understand the problems that could be caused by having an assistanc coach get paid a head coach salary.

Wouldn't he get paid though if he were to be fired?

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Wouldn't he get paid though if he were to be fired?

I believe so, which is why he might not accept a demotion if it meant a proportionate salary decrease.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Do you guys think Zorn will actually take a demotion? Again? That is harsh, we already gutted him once. I dont know if I could stomach that again, if I was in his position.

Nah, he'll be coaching in some capacity in Cleveland next year once Holmgren lands the GM job there.

[skinsfan69]

until a zorn is fired and a new coach is named all of this is just speculation and rumors.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

until a zorn is fired and a new coach is named all of this is just speculation and rumors.

Speculation is rampant right now as would be expected. If a plan is already in place I don't know if these next 3 games matter. I would like to see Zorn returning given real consideration myself.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

until a zorn is fired and a new coach is named all of this is just speculation and rumors.

I've said it over and over, but the speculation will continue until there's a resolution. We now live in a time where people just love to speculate on just about everything............I've gotten used to it.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I've said it over and over, but the speculation will continue until there's a resolution. We now live in a time where people just love to speculate on just about everything............I've gotten used to it.

Yep. Right now we should have Brady Quinn, Sanchez and Cutler alternating series to throw TDs to Chad Ochocinco and Kellen Winslow.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Jim Zorn is probably the only person who thinks he has a chance to return in any capacity. The notion that he would remain in a reduced role is absurd. Even if Zorn were open to the idea, there's no way ANY new HC would retain his predecessor on the staff. It would simply create too many awkward situations. The only part about this story that bothers me does deal with the rooney rule. I'm sure the skins will be in compliance with the letter of the rule, but they certainly arent in its spirit. It also bothers me that a minority coach would willingly allow himself to be manipulated by "interviewing" for a position they knew full well they had no chance of getting.

If I were a minority coach in the NFL, i would rather not have a rooney rule at all than one that allowed me to be manipulated and taken advantage of. Its cheap and degrading in my opinion. If the Skins or any team wants to hire a Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Jon Gruden, etc... then that's their right. but the reality is they're not going to give anyone else - regardless of race - serious consideration. the rooney rule turns decent men into pawns. its a complete sham and needs to be revised or done away with entirely.