Report: Shanahan in Talks with Redskins

[47FAN]

how do we know zorn hasnt agreed to take lesser roll there for it opens the headcoaching job up. just a thought

[pg86]

Originally Posted by 47FAN

how do we know zorn hasnt agreed to take lesser roll there for it opens the headcoaching job up. just a thought

I predicted he'd take a demotion We don't know I mean why wouldn't he be the QB coach?

[47FAN]

Originally Posted by pg86

I predicted he'd take a demotion We don't know I mean why wouldn't he be the QB coach?

i have thought the same thing for a couple of weeks now.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 47FAN

how do we know zorn hasnt agreed to take lesser roll there for it opens the headcoaching job up. just a thought

You know I thought the same thing. If Zorn has realized his abilities and perhaps knows he an awsome QB coach but most likely not wanting a HCing gig again, I wonder if he would be retained as QB coach. I imagine it would be a humbling experience to step down but if he played his cards right he would still have a job and more then likely get more respect then he's getting now.

I guess it all depends on if he could humble himself to step down and admit he's a better QB coach. My gut say no and he is gone.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by 47FAN

how do we know zorn hasnt agreed to take lesser roll there for it opens the headcoaching job up. just a thought

I can't ever recall when a head coach has stayed with a team the next year after losing his head coaching role....does anyone know if thats ever happened?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I can't ever recall when a head coach has stayed with a team the next year after losing his head coaching role....does anyone know if thats ever happened?

Didn't one of Dallas's coaches do that? He may have been an interim coach though. Never mind. Dave Campo was HC for the Cowgirls, was let go, went to another team then rejoined the Cowgirls as secondary coach. Don 't know if a HC was let go and stayed with the same team before but I have a feeling whoever becomes our coach will bring in their own people.

[maroonandblack30]

The Rooney Rule is garbage.... no one says we should try out white RBs before we sign a black one....its a freaking joke. The NFL is about winning, if an owner is still dumb enough to NOT hire the best coach for the job regardless of color his record will prove his incompitence. The rule is insulting and demeaning.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

The Rooney Rule is garbage.... no one says we should try out white RBs before we sign a black one....its a freaking joke. The NFL is about winning, if an owner is still dumb enough to NOT hire the best coach for the job regardless of color his record will prove his incompitence. The rule is insulting and demeaning.

How old are you?
The reason I ask is some of the owners are much older than you and I.
They are from an era where discriminating because of race or religion was discreetly being done and behind closed doors was acceptable. The attitude was not necessarily I hate minorities, it was more an attitude of 'I will never have a black GM or coach or QB.' There are certain high visibility/profile positions that were not acceptable to have a minority.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

How old are you?

irrelevant

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

irrelevant

The reason I ask is some of the owners are much older than you and I.
They are from an era where discriminating because of race or religion was discreetly being done and behind closed doors was acceptable. The attitude was not necessarily I hate minorities, it was more an attitude of 'I will never have a black GM or coach or QB.' There are certain high visibility/high profile positions that were not acceptable to have a minority.
I remember all the death threats QB Major Harris, the first successful QB at WVU was getting for playing QB. That was in the early 1980's. We are not talking about the 60's.
Depending on your age you may not have been around to see this and other situations just like this one.
Imagine the pressure and threats the Dean and Coach at WVU wer getting for playing a black QB?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

The Rooney Rule is garbage.... no one says we should try out white RBs before we sign a black one....its a freaking joke. The NFL is about winning, if an owner is still dumb enough to NOT hire the best coach for the job regardless of color his record will prove his incompitence. The rule is insulting and demeaning.

I was thinking the same thing but couldn't put into words.

I often wondered why minorities and non minorities don't get upset about affirmative action. To me it send two negative messages:

1) The Gov. is applying a rule that discriminates against non minorities.

2) It sends a message that minorities can't get a job based on their own qualifications. If I was a minority I think I would be mad that I was given the job solely because the business needed to hire a minority vs. me being better qualified then the other applicants and getting the job due to hard work and diligence.

I do understand that there are lots and lots of instances where minorities are discriminated against because they are a minority, and they don't get the job even though they are the better candidate.

I don't know. I don't mean to piss people off but the message just seems bad. (A) We will discriminate against non minorities in order to correct a wrong against minorities, and (B) The Gov. is calling minorities inferior and making a law to level the playing field. I know the law was put in place to combat discrimination but it should be changed to either protect all americans no matter what color or nationality or eliminate it all together. If we keep the law then tweek it so the business or whoever is punished severely for their discrimination.

but as someone else said ...in the NFL its kinda the old boys club and they would interview the janitor and say we interviewed someone to satisfy the rule instead of actually interviewing a qualified candidate or they would interview a qualified applicant to only give it to who they want to be their next GM or HC. The law only says they have to interview someone not that they have to be qualified or seriously considered.

[Eknox]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I was thinking the same thing but couldn't put into words.

I often wondered why minorities and non minorities don't get upset about affirmative action. To me it send two negative messages:

1) The Gov. is applying a rule that discriminates against non minorities.

2) It sends a message that minorities can't get a job based on their own qualifications. If I was a minority I think I would be mad that I was given the job solely because the business needed to hire a minority vs. me being better qualified then the other applicants and getting the job due to hard work and diligence.

I do understand that there are lots and lots of instances where minorities are discriminated against because they are a minority, and they don't get the job even though they are the better candidate.

I don't know. I don't mean to piss people off but the message just seems bad. (A) We will discriminate against non minorities in order to correct a wrong against minorities, and (B) The Gov. is calling minorities inferior and making a law to level the playing field. I know the law was put in place to combat discrimination but it should be changed to either protect all americans no matter what color or nationality or eliminate it all together. If we keep the law then tweek it so the business or whoever is punished severely for their discrimination.

but as someone else said ...in the NFL its kinda the old boys club and they would interview the janitor and say we interviewed someone to satisfy the rule instead of actually interviewing a qualified candidate or they would interview a qualified applicant to only give it to who they want to be their next GM or HC. The law only says they have to interview someone not that they have to be qualified or seriously considered.

You guys are simply lost and simple minded so I'm going to exit from this discussion, because this conversation shouldn't even be going on, and Mods shame on you for allowing this crap to continue, do you all think minorities only belong on the field? regardless of the views of a few ignorant few, I still Love my Skins and all the minorities that help make this a class organization even if some of the fans are not!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Eknox

You guys are simply lost and simple minded so I'm going to exit from this discussion, because this conversation shouldn't even be going on, and Mods shame on you for allowing this crap to continue, do you all think minorities only belong on the field? regardless of the views of a few ignorant few, I still Love my Skins and all the minorities that help make this a class organization even if some of the fans are not!

No I never said they should be stuck on the field. As a matter of fact I agreed that minorities don't get a fair shake most of the time. I agreed minorities may even be the better qualified HC or GM. I agreed the Rooney Rule is a bunch of garbage cause it's not fixing what the NFL meant to accomplish.

What I added was that the Gov. affirmitive action is just as discriminatory as some of the owners or managers of businesses who would not hire someone because they were a minority. It's discriminatory for two reasons..
1. being that the affirmitive action law basically tells business that they have to have a certain % of minorities working for the company. Although it was a good law when it was designed and has good intentions it's doing exactly what it was meant to try and stop from happening...discrimination.

2. I mentioned that any law designed around the idea of helping any one group of people and not all people is not only discriminatory to the rest, it's demeaning to the very people it was designed to help. Would you rather get a job cause you worked hard, did good work, and had great evaluations regarding your work or would you rather get the job cause you fit the billet that your a minority and they need you to satisfy their % of minorities who work for the company? I'm not being nieve and saying discrimination does not happen so don't be nieve that people are not hired simply to fill a statistical need.

Sorry if you took it wrong. Sorry if you don't get my point. I know there is discrimination and it's not fair, but the Gov. who is supposed to be fair to all people can't be designing laws that are fair to only one group of people and not all people.

How can discrimination be fixed so that all people are treated fairly? I don't know.

[TIFOSOdeiREDSKINS]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I was thinking the same thing but couldn't put into words.

I often wondered why minorities and non minorities don't get upset about affirmative action. To me it send two negative messages:

1) The Gov. is applying a rule that discriminates against non minorities.

2) It sends a message that minorities can't get a job based on their own qualifications. If I was a minority I think I would be mad that I was given the job solely because the business needed to hire a minority vs. me being better qualified then the other applicants and getting the job due to hard work and diligence.

I do understand that there are lots and lots of instances where minorities are discriminated against because they are a minority, and they don't get the job even though they are the better candidate.

I don't know. I don't mean to piss people off but the message just seems bad. (A) We will discriminate against non minorities in order to correct a wrong against minorities, and (B) The Gov. is calling minorities inferior and making a law to level the playing field. I know the law was put in place to combat discrimination but it should be changed to either protect all americans no matter what color or nationality or eliminate it all together. If we keep the law then tweek it so the business or whoever is punished severely for their discrimination.

but as someone else said ...in the NFL its kinda the old boys club and they would interview the janitor and say we interviewed someone to satisfy the rule instead of actually interviewing a qualified candidate or they would interview a qualified applicant to only give it to who they want to be their next GM or HC. The law only says they have to interview someone not that they have to be qualified or seriously considered.

cosign. i agree to a T. to quote the the first sentence of your post, "I was thinking the same thing but couldn't put into words"!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by TIFOSOdeiREDSKINS

cosign. i agree to a T. to quote the the first sentence of your post, "I was thinking the same thing but couldn't put into words"!

I don't understand how the Rooney Rule discriminates against non-minorities. Can you all please show me an instance in which a non-minority candidate did not get the chance to interview because of the Rooney Rule?