Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

There will always be players like Hayneswoth in the NFL. The biggest lesson to be learned here is by the team; they should never put themselves in this position by signing a player like him. And the culture within the team should be "you either get with the plan or GTFO".

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AH can dominate games when he feels like it and we certainly weren't the only team going after him. If I remember correctly his agents phone was ringing off the hook 1 second after midnight when he became eligible. Would he have laid down if the Giants had signed him? I really don't know. Switching to the 3-4 didn't help but the Redskins also have a reputation for overpaying a player, getting screwed, then releasing him to sign with any team he wants. Unless I'm mistaken isn't that what happened with Archuletta, Lloyd, etc.? I didn't want him here to begin with because this is exactly what I was afraid would happen. You can check my posts before we signed him. I was impressed with his talent and hoped for the best when he got here but absolutely do not want him on this team. I understand your point and agree with you Ruhskins, but if the Redskins decide to keep him and make his life miserable after giving him millions of dollars based on his agreement to go along with the changing defense, then AH breaking that same agreement that got him millions of their dollars...well I can understand their point too. We'll continue to sign FA's. Some will pan out some won't. It just seems some come here with the idea of getting paid, doing whatever they want, then getting released to sign somewhere else. No matter how good a player is, if that's their mindset based on the reputation the Redskins have among players in the league, a reputation we've earned, then why will it stop? Isn't releasing him exactly what he wants? Go to the Redskins and take the money and run. It's frustrating as hell and until the owners and players come to an agreement I probably just want to punish the SOB. No matter how it goes, hopefully we have a GM in Bruce Allen that will structure contracts in a way this kind of BS will no longer happen.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

AH can dominate games when he feels like it and we certainly weren't the only team going after him. If I remember correctly his agents phone was ringing off the hook 1 second after midnight when he became eligible. Would he have laid down if the Giants had signed him? I really don't know. Switching to the 3-4 didn't help but the Redskins also have a reputation for overpaying a player, getting screwed, then releasing him to sign with any team he wants. Unless I'm mistaken isn't that what happened with Archuletta, Lloyd, etc.? I didn't want him here to begin with because this is exactly what I was afraid would happen. You can check my posts before we signed him. I was impressed with his talent and hoped for the best when he got here but absolutely do not want him on this team. I understand your point and agree with you Ruhskins, but if the Redskins decide to keep him and make his life miserable after giving him millions of dollars based on his agreement to go along with the changing defense, then AH breaking that same agreement that got him millions of their dollars...well I can understand their point too. We'll continue to sign FA's. Some will pan out some won't. It just seems some come here with the idea of getting paid, doing whatever they want, then getting released to sign somewhere else. No matter how good a player is, if that's their mindset based on the reputation the Redskins have among players in the league, a reputation we've earned, then why will it stop? Isn't releasing him exactly what he wants? Go to the Redskins and take the money and run. It's frustrating as hell and until the owners and players come to an agreement I probably just want to punish the SOB. No matter how it goes, hopefully we have a GM in Bruce Allen that will structure contracts in a way this kind of BS will no longer happen.

From what I heard, there was only ONE other team interested in Haynesworth as a Free Agent - - the Titans - - and their offer was reportedly in the $78-80M range. When Danny Boy and Vinny The Talking Head swooped in with their offer they were so far above anything else out there, the agent told AH to sign quickly before these guys found out what the competition was offering...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

From what I heard, there was only ONE other team interested in Haynesworth as a Free Agent - - the Titans - - and their offer was reportedly in the $78-80M range. When Danny Boy and Vinny The Talking Head swooped in with their offer they were so far above anything else out there, the agent told AH to sign quickly before these guys found out what the competition was offering...

The Titans?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Titans?

That's puzzling, b/c I thought the Bucs were interested in him too.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Titans?

What I heard was that the Titans made an offer of $78-80M with something like $25M guaranteed and then the Skins offer hit the table and the agent declared the auction over.

I was not in the room when it happened - - obviously - - but that is the Cliffs Notes version of the story I heard...

[NLC1054]

All this stuff about letting him get his way...so what?

Cut him, and let him be some other team's problem. You really think Philly's gonna want him? Okay, fine, let Philly take him. Let's see if JUAN FRIGGIN' CASTILLO, the former offensive line coach turned random ass defensive coordinator can contain Haynesworth.

The fact of the matter is, no one is going to want him. Period. And Haynesworth is so loco he's not going to settle for a cheap deal. Keeping him on the roster means we keep a player we could actually use off the roster.

And it just becomes another distraction. Every day Haynesworth is on the team is another day we have to hear about him, and players and coaches have to talk about him. Sportscenter and NFL Total Access would not shut up about it. Every other story would be "Has Mike Shanahan gone to far with Albert Haynesworth".

He'd become a sympathy case in some warped way.

Just cut him. If some teams wants to drop a truckload of money on him, let them deal with the ensuing crap storm. Haynesworth doesn't care. He doesn't want to play a 3-4. He doesn't want to play in a 4-3. He's said it in interviews; what he loved about Tennessee is that his DC allegedly let him do what he want.

"He'd come in with these intricate plays draw up and all these ideas, but at the end of the day he'd just let me play," He says in a radio interview. "Just let me play. Just let me do whatever I want to do. I'm a selfish jerk, I want to just play and do what I want to."

Well let his sorry ass "do what he wants" for some other team. Take some other teams money. Let's free up some cap space, buy a cappachino machine or something important.

[Longtimefan]

Rich Tandler:
CSNWashington.com


*Haynesworth may not leave quickly and quietly. After what Jim Haslett had to say about Albert Haynesworth not wanting to do anything, it would appear that the free agent bust has lost his last possible supporter in the organization. But don’t look for the Redskins to release him as soon as the NFL lockout ends as some expect (and as most are hoping). Mike Shanahan does not want to set a precedent that bad behavior will get you the freedom to go out and cut a free agent deal with a seven-figure bonus check. And he won’t dump him for a late draft pick after paying him all that money. There is a chance there will be a clean break that takes place soon after transactions are allowed but don’t be surprised if there is further drama when the lockout is lifted. [unq\

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Rich Tandler:
CSNWashington.com


*Haynesworth may not leave quickly and quietly. After what Jim Haslett had to say about Albert Haynesworth not wanting to do anything, it would appear that the free agent bust has lost his last possible supporter in the organization. But don’t look for the Redskins to release him as soon as the NFL lockout ends as some expect (and as most are hoping). Mike Shanahan does not want to set a precedent that bad behavior will get you the freedom to go out and cut a free agent deal with a seven-figure bonus check. And he won’t dump him for a late draft pick after paying him all that money. There is a chance there will be a clean break that takes place soon after transactions are allowed but don’t be surprised if there is further drama when the lockout is lifted.

The longer that Albert Haynesworth is on the roster, the longer that the media will continue to remind everyone of the dysfunction that is this team. In the end, I see this as a way for the team to not admit that they made a mistake. They'd rather continue this drama and media circus rather than cutting their losses, admitting their mistake, and moving on from this error.

And it appears to be working, since we have fans clamoring for the team to "discipline Haynesworth" and "letting him rot on the bench" and blah blah blah blah. As I said before, if the team wants to change the culture, it needs to start by admitting their mistakes and moving on from them.

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The longer that Albert Haynesworth is on the roster, the longer that the media will continue to remind everyone of the dysfunction that is this team. In the end, I see this as a way for the team to not admit that they made a mistake. They'd rather continue this drama and media circus rather than cutting their losses, admitting their mistake, and moving on from this error.

And it appears to be working, since we have fans clamoring for the team to "discipline Haynesworth" and "letting him rot on the bench" and blah blah blah blah. As I said before, if the team wants to change the culture, it needs to start by admitting their mistakes and moving on from them.

*deep sigh*
We fd up.. we fd up bad.
I can't believe we all wanted this guy too I still remember the threads myself included.
Hell never be able to play good enough to stop the media either.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The longer that Albert Haynesworth is on the roster, the longer that the media will continue to remind everyone of the dysfunction that is this team. In the end, I see this as a way for the team to not admit that they made a mistake. They'd rather continue this drama and media circus rather than cutting their losses, admitting their mistake, and moving on from this error.

And it appears to be working, since we have fans clamoring for the team to "discipline Haynesworth" and "letting him rot on the bench" and blah blah blah blah. As I said before, if the team wants to change the culture, it needs to start by admitting their mistakes and moving on from them.

Why are you so worried about the media asking the players about AH? It's not a big a deal as you think it is. It's not like it has an outcome on the games. If the players let this effect their performance then they're probably not someone we want anyway.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Why are you so worried about the media asking the players about AH? It's not a big a deal as you think it is. It's not like it has an outcome on the games. If the players let this effect their performance then they're probably not someone we want anyway.

I am not worry about the media, but why are you so worry about having "Haynesworth learn his lesson?" Don't tell me that it is about money, because the Redskins have lost money like that before many times over . And don't give me the "change of culture" BS, because teams like the Bengals insist on keeping malcontents, and it hasn't gotten them anywhere. And unless you have recently seen articles about players not caring about this issue, I don't know how you are "sure" that the players on the team are okay with this circus continuing.

Please explain to me WHY is it more important to keep this guy on the team and "teach him his lesson", rather than moving on and continue to build the team? Are people's feelings hurt because this guy lied to the team? On the one hand you say players should suck it up and not care about this locker room problem, but on the other hand many fans and the team are keeping a grudge and want to see this guy "destroyed"? Where's the obsession?

Part of rebuilding is moving on from the mistakes made in the past. I don't get the obsession on keeping this issue alive.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The longer that Albert Haynesworth is on the roster, the longer that the media will continue to remind everyone of the dysfunction that is this team. In the end, I see this as a way for the team to not admit that they made a mistake. They'd rather continue this drama and media circus rather than cutting their losses, admitting their mistake, and moving on from this error.

And it appears to be working, since we have fans clamoring for the team to "discipline Haynesworth" and "letting him rot on the bench" and blah blah blah blah. As I said before, if the team wants to change the culture, it needs to start by admitting their mistakes and moving on from them.

Screw the media. They'll be on us no matter what we do, it's always been that way, at least since Dan Snyder became the owner. They'll still rehash their same worn out lines about Snyder interfering and us blindly spending on everything that walks, even though those things aren't true anymore. Snyder has actually become the owner he should be, letting real football guys make the decisions. Haynesworth is a pre-Allen/Shanahan mess and it will be over soon enough. Then, they'll go back to bashing us for something else and if desperate for a real story, say we have a racost name and stir that political pot again.

If Haynesworth had even tried and played up to his actual talent level, no one would be complaining about his ridiculously-high contract or saying we're "disfunctional". The team can not be bashed much for this mess, other than taking a risk. Albert was a Pro-Bowl player, one of the best D-linemen in the game...and simply laid down and stopped trying. In the few instances he did try last year (Chicago game for example), he showed his dominance and what we paid for, but the majority of his time here, he's been a selfish, lazy headcase with legal issues to boot.

Yes I want him gone, but it has absolutely nothing about the media's opinion. If we strive to please them, we'll fail miserably and wreck the team on top of that. The media will never give us credit, let alone love us.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Yes I want him gone, but it has absolutely nothing about the media's opinion. If we strive to please them, we'll fail miserably and wreck the team on top of that. The media will never give us credit, let alone love us.

If you want him gone I have no argument against you. I just don't understand people's obsession with keeping the guy on the team. I have yet to read an argument that makes sense. Sadly, it seems that the NFL hasn't cared much about Haynesworth's issues (surprisingly) and suspended him. Unless that happen, he's just going to sit on the bench utilizing a roster spot and getting paid. Hell, that already happened last season.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

If you want him gone I have no argument against you. I just don't understand people's obsession with keeping the guy on the team. I have yet to read an argument that makes sense. Sadly, it seems that the NFL hasn't cared much about Haynesworth's issues (surprisingly) and suspended him. Unless that happen, he's just going to sit on the bench utilizing a roster spot and getting paid. Hell, that already happened last season.

Let's hope that doesn't happen again this season. My greatest concern about having AH around is that we will be adding 12 draftees plus any UDFA's (and probably some veteran FA's) to the squad by training camp and I don't want him to be a bad example to impressionable young players. I hope that Redskins management will trade or release him by then.

[mlmpetert]

Its not about teaching him a lesson, its about making AH an example and using him to teach the team a lesson. I don’t think Shanahan really cares about the money Danny spent on AH, I think its more about the laziness and unwilliness that AH shows, the fact that he took the bonus check (instead of finding a trade partner) then not showing up to minicamp, then showing up out of shape to mandatory camp, then refusing to play NT, and then pretty much refusing to play at all. Sure AH stole money from Danny (who wouldn’t), but he also betrayed Shanahan. Now AH is the main subject in teaching The Redskins (the players) a lesson.

I dont really care one way or another if we keep him or not but if I was forced to choose i think keeping him is probably the better option. And im pretty much cool with whatever Shanahan decides to do with him, im guessing he has a better idea with what resonates with a football team then me. And like Shanahan and Allen probably feel I honestly don’t think it’s a big deal or distraction for the team. Its probably awkward for the guy that has his locker right next to AH’s but that’s about it. Because of AH’s past play and massive contract hes a high profile dude and a lot of people are going to take notice when he f’s up. When a high profile crime is committed most DA’s try to send a message by really sticking it to the bad guy. This is pretty much the same thing. The media may boo-hoo whats going on or make it out to be a big deal, but so what. The Redskins happen to be one of the most dysfunctional teams in the country. Until we consistently win it doesn’t matter what the media thinks of us or portrays us as, because lets face it…… we’re irrelevant.