How is Vick "overly prosecuted"?

[jsarno]

I have heard this on numerous occasions, and I think it's a load of bull.

How is it that Don Imus and Martha Stewart (for example) were justifiably crucified, but Vick was overly prosecuted?

[Redskin Rich]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I have heard this on numerous occasions, and I think it's a load of bull.

How is it that Don Imus and Martha Stewart (for example) were justifiably crucified, but Vick was overly prosecuted?

Be careful... they will shut down your thread like they shut mine down

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskin Rich

Be careful... they will shut down your thread like they shut mine down

I thought yours was because of the religious undertone?

There just seems to be a lot of people out there that are upset about how everything went down, and they the only reason "we" are going after Vick is cause he's a "prominant" black athlete.
To me, that is completely bogus. Martha and Imus did much less and got much worse for their issues. (comparitively speaking)

[SmootSmack]

Not really sure I even understand what this thread is about? Though if it's about whether this has been "fair" or not, of if it's a racial issue...I think those topics have been brought up several times on various threads.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I thought yours was because of the religious undertone?

There just seems to be a lot of people out there that are upset about how everything went down, and they the only reason "we" are going after Vick is cause he's a "prominant" black athlete.
To me, that is completely bogus. Martha and Imus did much less and got much worse for their issues. (comparitively speaking)

I don't think they are overly prosecuting Vick. I didnt read the closed thread but who said anything about overly prosecuting? I think most people agree with what's going down.

And as a Black female, I am sick of hearing this whole racially motivated BS. Sometimes Black people need to stop overanalyzing everything as some radical racist tactic and accept this situation for what it is:

A Black guy effed up and is getting punished and leave it at that.

[Lady Brave]

I'm really tired of hearing Vick's name. I'm even more tired of the Vick threads. Sorry, had to say it. Carry on...

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I don't think they are overly prosecuting Vick. I didnt read the closed thread but who said anything about overly prosecuting? I think most people agree with what's going down.

Well, it's what you hear when they interview people like fans, or some journalists from the Atlanta area. I've literally heard it about 15 times from 15 different people, it's quite annoying.

And as a Black female, I am sick of hearing this whole racially motivated BS. Sometimes Black people need to stop overanalyzing everything as some radical racist tactic and accept this situation for what it is:

A Black guy effed up and is getting punished and leave it at that.

I really appreciate you saying that, and I 100% agree.

[DynamiteRave]

No problem Js

This Vick situation is turning into like a second OJ trial.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

No problem Js

This Vick situation is turning into like a second OJ trial.

True...only this time they got it right.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I personally haven't heard anyone say that the prosecution is racially motivated. I am sure, however, that there is a very small minority of African-Americans who think the prosecution is part of some conspiracy, just as I think there are a small number of whites who want to see him go down.

As for whether Vick is being "overly prosecuted," I guess I'd have to ask what you mean by "overly prosecuted." Are you asking whether his sentence will likely be longer than most other criminals who have committed similar crimes? Are you asking whether the prosecutor was too zealous? Are you asking whether Vick is getting a tougher sentence in the court of public opinion than is deserved?

I love dogs and hate animal cruelty. I've spent some $4,500 for two surgeries for two dogs who I adopted from the local SPCA and a disaster relief shelter and thousands more dollars on toys, cans of science diet, vet fees, etc. I also cried like a little girl when my last dog died of cancer. I also think that Michael Vick deserves to go to prison for at least one year. But, I think when you consider the fact that he (1) will likely lose about $20-$40M dollars in salary and endorsements, (2) will likely lose his career, (3) and is about to lose his freedom for a year or more, it would be hard to argue that Vick is being "under-punished."

Please try not to read too much into that last sentence. I am thrilled that more attention is being paid to animal/dog rights, Vick is going to jail, and that we, as a society, seem to have evolved in terms of our love of animals. I was just trying to make the point that it is hard to argue that all of the punishment that Vick has and will receive is light.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I personally haven't heard anyone say that the prosecution is racially motivated. I am sure, however, that there is a very small minority of African-Americans who think the prosecution is part of some conspiracy, just as I think there are a small number of whites who want to see him go down.

As for whether Vick is being "overly prosecuted," I guess I'd have to ask what you mean by "overly prosecuted." Are you asking whether his sentence will likely be longer than most other criminals who have committed similar crimes? Are you asking whether the prosecutor was too zealous? Are you asking whether Vick is getting a tougher sentence in the court of public opinion than is deserved?

I love dogs and hate animal cruelty. I've spent some $4,500 for two surgeries for two dogs who I adopted from the local SPCA and a disaster relief shelter and thousands more dollars on toys, cans of science diet, vet fees, etc. I also cried like a little girl when my last dog died of cancer. I also think that Michael Vick deserves to go to prison for at least one year. But, I think when you consider the fact that he (1) will likely lose about $20-$40M dollars in salary and endorsements, (2) will likely lose his career, (3) and is about to lose his freedom for a year or more, it would be hard to argue that Vick is being "under-punished."

Please try not to read too much into that last sentence. I am thrilled that more attention is being paid to animal/dog rights, Vick is going to jail, and that we, as a society, seem to have evolved in terms of our love of animals. I was just trying to make the point that it is hard to argue that all of the punishment that Vick has and will receive is light.

Well, there is a difference here. His punishment will be a suspension from the NFL and incarceration. The consequences of his actions are the loss of endorsements and salary.
If you were incarcerated, I'd wager your boss would discontinue your salary as well.
The fact that he COULD and likely will return to the NFL at some point means the punishment is not stiff enough. Again, if it was a normal person with a normal job, we would not get our jobs back after we were done, and it would be very hard to find a job being a felon.

Look at Don Imus...all he did was utter 3 words in a forum where freedom of speech should have been applied, and he lost EVERYTHING.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Look at Don Imus...all he did was utter 3 words in a forum where freedom of speech should have been applied, and he lost EVERYTHING.

Not to threadjack, but Don Imus got fired because he is an idiot. He got paid because people liked what he said, then he said some pretty idiotic things that people didn't like, his employer was losing ad money, and so Imus was fired. Imus has the right to his opinions, but his employer had the right to fire him because his comments hurt the company's bottom line.

In any event, what exactly does Imus have to do with Vick?

[JWsleep]

Pretty hard to feel bad for Vick--I mean, in a movie, if you want to show that a character is really bad, then you have him kill a dog. Vick admitted to being involved with the death of six. And he has (had!) a 130 mil contract. What an idiot.

(Prediction: Imus will be back soon. Martha is doing fine. Wonder if the NFL will let Vick back in? Do the Raiders need a QB? He's wouldn't even be the Cinncy bengal with the most jail time.)

(No, I don't think the NFL should.)

(I have a bad feeling about this thread...)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Not to threadjack, but Don Imus got fired because he is an idiot. He got paid because people liked what he said, then he said some pretty idiotic things that people didn't like, his employer was losing ad money, and so Imus was fired. Imus has the right to his opinions, but his employer had the right to fire him because his comments hurt the company's bottom line.

In any event, what exactly does Imus have to do with Vick?

Also...not the first time Imus made comments like that

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Not to threadjack, but Don Imus got fired because he is an idiot. He got paid because people liked what he said, then he said some pretty idiotic things that people didn't like, his employer was losing ad money, and so Imus was fired. Imus has the right to his opinions, but his employer had the right to fire him because his comments hurt the company's bottom line.

Well, you're getting deep into Imus, and that's not the point, the point is:
And the NFL / Falcons don't have the right to "fire" Vick?
What Vick did was 1 million times worse (and I'm being nice) than what Imus did, and Imus lost everything for it, so why shouldn't Vick?

In any event, what exactly does Imus have to do with Vick?

It's about the persecution of an exhaulted person. Note the very first comment here with Imus and Martha Stewart.