Dallas Week Matchup: Cooley vs. Witten

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[53Fan]

Cooley has to be No.1 just by that picture alone. Seriously, there is no other tight end in the NFL I would rather have on our team. He is not the greatest blocker, but he has good hands and does not go down easy. He's the kind of guy, who when he catches the ball, you stand up because it may be a touchdown.

[DirtyLandry]

It was so annoying how Madden wouldnt shut up about Jason Witten in the dallas/philly game. He kept saying that Witten is the best TE in the league. Considering that Madden is slowly slipping into sinility, I don't buy anything he says. Cooley was drafted lower than Witten and has more touchdowns in less time.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

It was so annoying how Madden wouldnt shut up about Jason Witten in the dallas/philly game. He kept saying that Witten is the best TE in the league. Considering that Madden is slowly slipping into sinility, I don't buy anything he says. Cooley was drafted lower than Witten and has more touchdowns in less time.

Witten is probably the best TE in the league right now and 'drafted lower' is kind of splitting hairs (Witten 3rd/69 overall in 2003, Cooley 3rd/81 overall in 2004). The thing that gets me about Witten is that he seems like a bit of a dullard (I'm a f-f-football player). Obviously impressionistic (I'm sure the Dallas fans will be quick to respond), but he certainly does not have the personality of Cooley (who does some dumb things but you can tell there is some intelligence there, and he is funny most of the time). Anyway, I wouldn't trade Cooley for Witten obviously and actually the numbers are pretty close (and, in fairness, Witten was putting up numbers before T.O. got there ... if anything that first year T.O. stole some TDs from him). I don't think we need to go off and so Cooley is soooo much better than Witten (or vice versa), neither is a valid argument.

[That Guy]

witten had a billion yards last year (it's true, look it up - exactly 1 billion), and he's a better blocker by far.

i think cooley is a better receiver and better after the catch (breaking tackles, not outrunning guys). I wouldn't trade either, but witten's no slouch.

[DirtyLandry]

Originally Posted by That Guy

witten had a billion yards last year (it's true, look it up - exactly 1 billion), and he's a better blocker by far.

i think cooley is a better receiver and better after the catch (breaking tackles, not outrunning guys). I wouldn't trade either, but witten's no slouch.

No slouch, but I wouldnt call him the best. A big part of his success has been because of that guy (#81 I think?) on the outside. Also I wouldnt say Witten is a better blocker by far. Cooley blocks when asked to, and has a lot of experience playing all over (H-back, tight end, wideout). Another thing, is Cooley even as a rookie had a natural ability to read defenses and find the holes in zones, which this west coast hybrid is heavily predicated upon.

[D'BOYZ]

Sorry guys right now Witten it's the best all around TE he's the best blocker and a superb reciever I like Cooley a lot (well actually hate because he always makes us look foolish) I think right now Cooley it's #5-#6 as TE go.

If you go by all around TE Witten is the best if you just go by receiving TE then A.Gates takes the top spot.

[DirtyLandry]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Sorry guys right now Witten it's the best all around TE he's the best blocker and a superb reciever I like Cooley a lot (well actually hate because he always makes us look foolish) I think right now Cooley it's #5-#6 as TE go.

If you go by all around TE Witten is the best if you just go by receiving TE then A.Gates takes the top spot.

Thanks for your unbiased opinion. You have Witten as the best and Cooley somewhere around 6. I'm sure if someone asked you, the cowboys would have 13 guys that are the best at thier posistion. obsurd.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Sorry guys right now Witten it's the best all around TE he's the best blocker and a superb reciever I like Cooley a lot (well actually hate because he always makes us look foolish) I think right now Cooley it's #5-#6 as TE go.

If you go by all around TE Witten is the best if you just go by receiving TE then A.Gates takes the top spot.

Witten has a seperated shoulder from Week 2. He hasn't scored yet this year.

In his career of games against the Skins:

2007 - 2/24yds/0 TD , 8/67/0
2006 - 5/50/0 , 4/45/0
2005 - 4/41/1, 4/35/0
2004 - 6/50/0, 3/22/1
2003 - 0/0/0, 0/0/0

TOTAL - 10 games, 36 catches/334 yds (33.4 avg), 2 TDs
Career total : 82 games, 21 TDs


Cooley vs. Dallas: 8 games, 30 catches/357 yds (44.6 avg), 5 TDs
Career total : 67 games, 27 TDs

Cooley is much more versatile too.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Buster

Witten has a seperated shoulder from Week 2. He hasn't scored yet this year.

In his career of games against the Skins:

2007 - 2/24yds/0 TD , 8/67/0
2006 - 5/50/0 , 4/45/0
2005 - 4/41/1, 4/35/0
2004 - 6/50/0, 3/22/1
2003 - 0/0/0, 0/0/0

TOTAL - 10 games, 36 catches/334 yds (33.4 avg), 2 TDs
Career total : 82 games, 21 TDs


Cooley vs. Dallas: 8 games, 30 catches/357 yds (44.6 avg), 5 TDs
Career total : 67 games, 27 TDs

Cooley is much more versatile too.

Hey don't use actual number to prove your point.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Buster

Witten has a seperated shoulder from Week 2. He hasn't scored yet this year.

In his career of games against the Skins:

2007 - 2/24yds/0 TD , 8/67/0
2006 - 5/50/0 , 4/45/0
2005 - 4/41/1, 4/35/0
2004 - 6/50/0, 3/22/1
2003 - 0/0/0, 0/0/0

TOTAL - 10 games, 36 catches/334 yds (33.4 avg), 2 TDs
Career total : 82 games, 21 TDs


Cooley vs. Dallas: 8 games, 30 catches/357 yds (44.6 avg), 5 TDs
Career total : 67 games, 27 TDs

Cooley is much more versatile too.

You didn't finish. You stated that Witten had a seperated shoulder in Week 2. But what you withheld was that he only missed 2 plays and went right back on the field and went on to catch 7 passes for 110 yards WITH a seperated shoulder.

Not taking anything away from Cooley, he is one of the top-flight TE's in the NFL and I respect him tremendously.

That being said, the TD's only server a piece of the puzzle here. No, Witten has not scored a TD in 2008. BUT.....the Dallas Cowboys lead the NFL in 3rd down conversions at 60%, that is in large part to Wittens recieving skills, he is a "chain mover".

Witten is currently the #1 ranked TE in the NFL in receptions, yards, yards per game, receptions over 20 yards, receptions over 40 yards and first downs attained.

Then look at how well the Cowboys rushing attack has been, ranked #6 in the league. Witten is a great blocker and if you take another look at that 60 yard TD run by Felix Jones in the Green Bay game, you will see that the key trap block on the perimeter was made by Witten.

Don't put all the TE's eggs in one basket (TD's) there is more there to look at.

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

You didn't finish. You stated that Witten had a seperated shoulder in Week 2. But what you withheld was that he only missed 2 plays and went right back on the field and went on to catch 7 passes for 110 yards WITH a seperated shoulder.

Not taking anything away from Cooley, he is one of the top-flight TE's in the NFL and I respect him tremendously.

That being said, the TD's only server a piece of the puzzle here. No, Witten has not scored a TD in 2008. BUT.....the Dallas Cowboys lead the NFL in 3rd down conversions at 60%, that is in large part to Wittens recieving skills, he is a "chain mover".

Witten is currently the #1 ranked TE in the NFL in receptions, yards, yards per game, receptions over 20 yards, receptions over 40 yards and first downs attained.

Then look at how well the Cowboys rushing attack has been, ranked #6 in the league. Witten is a great blocker and if you take another look at that 60 yard TD run by Felix Jones in the Green Bay game, you will see that the key trap block on the perimeter was made by Witten.

Don't put all the TE's eggs in one basket (TD's) there is more there to look at.

Well 36 receivers have more receptions then TO, 17 have more yards, 15 have more 40+ yard receptions so at best TO is the 15th best receiver in the game according to your 'stats' ranking.

Witten has the big advantage of playing on a team with a great OL. That is huge and allows him to get freed up and open and not have to worry about trying to block defensive lineman. He also has been in pretty much the same offensive system which Cooley has not had that luxury.

IMO you can't say one is better then the other. I am sure if you swapped teams their stats would change accordingly. And I would still consider Gates to be close if not better then both.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Jake2008

Well 36 receivers have more receptions then TO, 17 have more yards, 15 have more 40+ yard receptions so at best TO is the 15th best receiver in the game according to your 'stats' ranking.

Witten has the big advantage of playing on a team with a great OL. That is huge and allows him to get freed up and open and not have to worry about trying to block defensive lineman. He also has been in pretty much the same offensive system which Cooley has not had that luxury.

IMO you can't say one is better then the other. I am sure if you swapped teams their stats would change accordingly. And I would still consider Gates to be close if not better then both.

Well I attempted to point out in a earlier post about not reading too much into the TD's, I did kind of bury myself in the stats thing, so you got me there.

But like I said earlier, look at the WHOLE picture. Why do you think Witten has all those receptions? Why do you think Miles Austin (a #3 WR) had over 100 yards and a TD last week? Because of the coverages that Owens demands. It takes away 2 and sometimes 3 players in coverage on Owens. And that coverage creates opportunities for others to excel. I have said it a thousand times....Owens does not have to have 100 yards and 2 TD's to be a factor.

But even Greg Blache has considerable respect for Witten. This is from the Washington Post:

Originally Posted by Washington Post

There are matchup problems all over the place. Blache agreed that the Redskins don't have a defender who can just concentrate on tight end Jason Witten all day. They don't have a single defensive back or linebacker who can "lock up" on him. The team has to mix principles and schemes, and Rocky McIntosh and Chris Horton have to combine their efforts.
Likewise, in the running game, it's going to take numbers to stop the tandem of Marion Barber and Felix Jones. One will run defenders over like few others in the game ("If he wasn't a Cowboy, I'd really like him," Blache said of Barber), and the other will just burn right past ("Jones has blazing speed," Blache said).

washingtonpost.com

[53Fan]

Yeah thats a big surprise huh? The rest of the league might as well not play. The cowgirls have the best players at every position. This s**t gets old.

[Dblock804]

Cooley dates cheerleaders. Witten dates Romo.