Redskins 2013 Salary Cap Status

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I would take Garcon over Wallace everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. Garcon is more expensive, but, when he was on the field, we won. He is simply a more versatile receiver than Wallace.

I agree...plus Garcon is actually less expensive than Wallace.

[Defensewins]

This system is sooo F-ed up. How can the NFL's #2 leading rusher get paid $500K? RB's take a beating and average career is 2 to 3 years. With the way we are using Alfred Morris there may not be anything left in the tank when his second contract comes up. There has to be a way pay him more money. Again it all comes back to this piece of shit Salary CAP! The system should provide a way for a rookie 6th round pick that is suddenly thrust into the starting line up and is top 5 in a big category to make a extra scratch in the form of a bonus. Like wise if a piece of shit like Haynesworth plays hard for a big contract then stops trying, that guy should take a cut. Pay for play system. The current system is broken.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This system is sooo F-ed up. How can the NFL's #2 leading rusher get paid $500K? RB's take a beating and average career is 2 to 3 years. With the way we are using Alfred Morris there may not be anything left in the tank when his second contract comes up. There has to be a way pay him more money. Again it all comes back to this piece of shit Salary CAP! The system should provide a way for a rookie 6th round pick that is suddenly thrust into the starting line up and is top 5 in a big category to make a extra scratch in the form of a bonus. Like wise if a piece of shit like Haynesworth plays hard for a big contract then stops trying, that guy should take a cut. Pay for play system. The current system is broken.

Would never work.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I would take Garcon over Wallace everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. Garcon is more expensive, but, when he was on the field, we won. He is simply a more versatile receiver than Wallace.

Time and again...you delineate in fine fashion you know absolutely nothing about the game of football lol. I used to just keep you on the ignore list but missed the chuckles.

[SmootSmack]

This should be good for a few laughs

[The Goat]

To bring the discussion back to fact over fiction:

Pierre Garcon: Game Logs at NFL.com

Santana Moss, WR for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com

Tana had twice as many TDs as Garcon though he was targeted...less. Garcon made little to no impact is several games (outside the ones he missed completely), getting yardage in junk minutes but otherwise being very quiet.

Again, hopefully this is the year he puts together a season anywhere near worthy of his contract.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by The Goat

To bring the discussion back to fact over fiction:

Pierre Garcon: Game Logs at NFL.com

Santana Moss, WR for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com

Tana had twice as many TDs as Garcon though he was targeted...less. Garcon made little to no impact is several games (outside the ones he missed completely), getting yardage in junk minutes but otherwise being very quiet.

Again, hopefully this is the year he puts together a season anywhere near worthy of his contract.

Interesting, but meaningless stats. Garcon's presence on the field clearly impacted the defense and coverage. With Garcon in the lineup we lost one game, without him we lost a few more than that. Was it all on him, probably not. but his presence and ability to provide explosive plays, ala the dallas touchdown, brought a threat defenses had to respect.

Moss and our other receivers benefitted from defenses coverage of Garcon.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by The Goat

To bring the discussion back to fact over fiction:

Pierre Garcon: Game Logs at NFL.com

Santana Moss, WR for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com

Tana had twice as many TDs as Garcon though he was targeted...less. Garcon made little to no impact is several games (outside the ones he missed completely), getting yardage in junk minutes but otherwise being very quiet.

Again, hopefully this is the year he puts together a season anywhere near worthy of his contract.

Mike Wallace had 64 catches for 836 yards and 8 TD's in 15 games. Garcon had 44 catches for 633 yards and 4 TD's in 9 games. (In case you arent looking, thats more catches and yards per game and fairly equal in TD's per game) However, 2 of those games he was playing on one foot. So basically he put up those stats in 7 games. Are you sure that you picked the right guy to compare stats to? Wallace's stats and new contract say that Garcon is worth every penny. If you want to use stats, at least use ones that make your case, not ones that go against everything you are trying to say.

I cant believe we are comparing a guy who was trying to play with a serious foot problem over a soft, self centered, one trick pony who believes he should be the highest paid anything in the NFL.

[MTK]

Can't believe we're even having this discussion. Garcon's impact down the stretch was undeniable. The stats don't even tell the whole story.

Dallas 4-86-1
NYG 8-106-1
Bal 5-83-1
Cle 6-65
Phi 7-89
Dallas 3-46

[mredskins]

Garcon in our offense was lights out. Can't wait for a 100% Garcon next year.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Interesting, but meaningless stats. Garcon's presence on the field clearly impacted the defense and coverage. With Garcon in the lineup we lost one game, without him we lost a few more than that. Was it all on him, probably not. but his presence and ability to provide explosive plays, ala the dallas touchdown, brought a threat defenses had to respect.

Moss and our other receivers benefitted from defenses coverage of Garcon.

You also have to take his injury into the equation. He was hurt in week one. Anything till after the bye week and really till after the Philly game, has to be thrown out. He essentially played on one foot, and to be honest that fact that he played at all is miraculous. I have been dealing with chronic platar facitus in both feet for the last 16 months. I am at the point of surgery. The inflamation does not go away and is extremely painful at times during everyday to the point of limping.

The guy is worth it and considering he just signed his contract and it obviously wasn't completely back loaded makes his salary cap number seem fair.

Bowen and Cofield are paid a little more than I would have guessed, but they were signed to above average deals and have lived up to them at times. At the same time though I do not think I would go about restructuring them at this time nor would I cut them. I would leave them alone unless we needed the space back.

Garcon or Morgan could have their deals reworked to free up some money as well as signing Rak to a long term deal.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by The Goat

To bring the discussion back to fact over fiction:

Pierre Garcon: Game Logs at NFL.com

Santana Moss, WR for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com

Tana had twice as many TDs as Garcon though he was targeted...less. Garcon made little to no impact is several games (outside the ones he missed completely), getting yardage in junk minutes but otherwise being very quiet.

Again, hopefully this is the year he puts together a season anywhere near worthy of his contract.

Garcon gets more separation, runs better routes, and makes YAC look like child's play.

Moss is playing his natural position doing some more slot work, and he can be lined up to stretch the field giving Garcon more room to work the seams. They are both pretty solid receivers but you can't look at the stats solely and deduce that he's better.

Garcon brings an extra element to the offense that isn't there without him, and anyone who watches the games can confirm that. He can get off jams (Moss routinely gets bumped off his routes) and will attack the ball.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Interesting, but meaningless stats. Garcon's presence on the field clearly impacted the defense and coverage. With Garcon in the lineup we lost one game, without him we lost a few more than that. Was it all on him, probably not. but his presence and ability to provide explosive plays, ala the dallas touchdown, brought a threat defenses had to respect.

Moss and our other receivers benefitted from defenses coverage of Garcon.

Garcon also happened to suit up when the defense played considerably better

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Time and again...you delineate in fine fashion you know absolutely nothing about the game of football lol. I used to just keep you on the ignore list but missed the chuckles.

Just when I thought it was safe to take you off the ignore lists .

I may not have a brilliant football mind. However, compared to the pearls of wisdom that you spew forth, from your "I have a friend in the oil business in Denver", to your inability understand the role of the read option in the Skins offense, to your Gaffney man-crush and incessant and obtuse belief that Garcon was a mistake, I am a f'ing football savant.

but back to the numbers.

In 2013, Garcon's YAC was 6.77 and Wallace's was 4.2. 60% of Garcon's catches went for first downs compared to 52% for Wallace.

On top of that, Garcon has consistently been cited for bringing a toughness to the WR core and transforming its attitude. Wallace? Tell me when anyone has said that of Wallace.

Back to the ignore list for you.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Garcon also happened to suit up when the defense played considerably better

maybe when you see the offensive guys putting everything on the line, hurt foot/shoulder and all, the defensive guys step up for respected teammates