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[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Yup. Didn't think he would crack top 5. Halas, Lombardi, Brown, Walsh, Noll, Shula, Belichick. (Unlike all of those, of course, he didn't have a HOF QB - or two (Walsh) - to build around). Didn't see him cracking those. Each had either longer tenure or more championships.

9th best in 80+ years of the NFL and probably about a 1,000 or so head coaches is nothing to shake a stick at.

What are folks top 5? Mine:
1. Halas
2. Brown
3. Lombardi
4. Walsh
5. Belichick

I don't see how you can have anyone other than Halas, Brown & Lombardi as your top three. Halas and Brown fundamentally redesigned they game. Between the T-formation and coaches calling the plays, the created the game of football as we know it and won a gazillion games along the way. Lombardi ... they named the damn trophy after him. 'Nuff said.

Never was a big Walsh fan, but, in terms of innovation, I grudgingly give him credit.

Gibbs did it with one good and 2 mediocre QB
's. Walsh, Noll and Belichick each did it with a great QB, Gibbs is equal to those guys and in my opinion better, plus he took them to 4 SB and basically had the Cowboys retire Landry cause he owned him. Screw ESPN!

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Gibbs did it with one good and 2 mediocre QB
's. Walsh, Noll and Belichick each did it with a great QB, Gibbs is equal to those guys and in my opinion better, plus he took them to 4 SB and basically had the Cowboys retire Landry cause he owned him. Screw ESPN!

Good point, but the flip side to that argument is that Gibbs also got destroyed in his super bowl loss. Also Walsh, Noll, and Belichick have/had the brains to draft those QBs and stick with them (Gibbs wasn't good at drafting QBs). Also those coaches--specifically Walsh (not sure about Noll and Belichick is TBD) knew when to get rid of QBs, and when they were past their prime. Montana to Young is one great example.

When you're comparing greats with greats, you got to get into the nitpicking of things like that. Gibbs is great, definitely top 10, but I think Shula, Walsh and Noll are much better coaches than him. Belichick you can make an argument for.

[CrustyRedskin]

RIP Mr. Jones

"When I see guys huddling up after the game, to pray, that's what scares me about the game. I'm a Baptist, but I'm also a quarterback killer, and I ain't praying with you. But I will give you 30 seconds to ask your Lord and master to keep me from killing you." -- Hall of Fame defensive end "Deacon" Jones on what aspect of the modern game most upsets him

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Good point, but the flip side to that argument is that Gibbs also got destroyed in his super bowl loss. Also Walsh, Noll, and Belichick have/had the brains to draft those QBs and stick with them (Gibbs wasn't good at drafting QBs). Also those coaches--specifically Walsh (not sure about Noll and Belichick is TBD) knew when to get rid of QBs, and when they were past their prime. Montana to Young is one great example.

When you're comparing greats with greats, you got to get into the nitpicking of things like that. Gibbs is great, definitely top 10, but I think Shula, Walsh and Noll are much better coaches than him. Belichick you can make an argument for.

Gibbs didn't draft the QB's Beathard did and he inherited Joey T. Walsh and Belichuck got lucky with Montana and Brady.