Most surprising cut?

MTK · 09-04-2005, 05:51 PM

McCune was definitely overhyped because of his impressive appearance, but then again that was the book on him coming out of college. The experts said he was a workout warrior and somebody would fall in love with that aspect and take him.

BossHog · 09-04-2005, 06:23 PM

Ok. Glad to see that the coaches saw that Groom was keeper. I'm cool with Keasey making the squad too because he has good size, 6' 0" 236lbs, speed, heart, and is supposedly picking up the schemes well (also, on Madden he'll have the blonde dreads hanging out the back of his helmet). Wilds blew some assignments big time in the preseason closer so it's understood why his leash was so short. I'm still unsatisfied with our DEs. Greg Williams may be too, but he will work with the talent we already have. None of these guys have the pass rushing skills and moves of a premier DE and that includes Arrington. That's the reason L.A. is used as a DE on 'passing downs' and equally the reason he's not effective at it. The 3-3-5 formation suits our players' strengths more. Maybe the previously injury riddled Nic Clemons will live up to his #90 jersey (I nearly torched mine when Kenard Lang left to go play for his old college coach who by the way is out of the league(?)

12thMan · 09-04-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BossHog

Ok. Glad to see that the coaches saw that Groom was keeper. I'm cool with Keasey making the squad too because he has good size, 6' 0" 236lbs, speed, heart, and is supposedly picking up the schemes well (also, on Madden he'll have the blonde dreads hanging out the back of his helmet). Wilds blew some assignments big time in the preseason closer so it's understood why his leash was so short. I'm still unsatisfied with our DEs. Greg Williams may be too, but he will work with the talent we already have. None of these guys have the pass rushing skills and moves of a premier DE and that includes Arrington. That's the reason L.A. is used as a DE on 'passing downs' and equally the reason he's not effective at it. The 3-3-5 formation suits our players' strengths more. Maybe the previously injury riddled Nic Clemons will live up to his #90 jersey (I nearly torched mine when Kenard Lang left to go play for his old college coach who by the way is out of the league(?)

Yeah, I believe Kenard is done. But on the contrary about the DEs. While not spectacular, I think they are very solid and capable. The lack of pass rush is a concern, but who knows what will happen when the whistle blows on 9/11.
We could be in for a treat- besides I don't think Wynn and Daniels have played a full season together yet.

Aki Jones could be someone they are hoping will develop sooner rather than later. Stay tuned...

MTK · 09-04-2005, 07:12 PM

Lang has actually dropped some weight and converted to LB.

wamo · 09-04-2005, 07:37 PM

I think the most surprising cut was Garnell Wilds. I mean what has Ade Jimoh done to keep dodging the bullet?

Is everyone sure that Ade Jimoh and Rufus Brown are not the same person?

That Guy · 09-04-2005, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BossHog

Greg Williams may be too, but he will work with the talent we already have. None of these guys have the pass rushing skills and moves of a premier DE and that includes Arrington.

LA did have 10 sacks in a season, and we still had 40 sacks overall last year (pittsburg had 41, leader may have had 44-48)... so i'd disagree that LA can't do it. And I agree a premier DE would be great, but we're getting good sack numbers in other ways.

Gmanc711 · 09-04-2005, 10:37 PM

For me it was Warner. I thought he was a very bright spot last season on our defense, and I thought he was really an up and coming player. Someone must be better than him, though, so thats always good news.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-04-2005, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

McCune was definitely overhyped because of his impressive appearance, but then again that was the book on him coming out of college. The experts said he was a workout warrior and somebody would fall in love with that aspect and take him.

But do you think the coaching staff would actually waste a 5th round pick on a guy who simply could run fast and was big? I actually think the coaching staff saw something more in him than that. They were wrong and admitted their mistake by cutting McCune and signing him to the practice squad, but I doubt they drafted him simply on the basis of his size and speed.

MTK · 09-04-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

But do you think the coaching staff would actually waste a 5th round pick on a guy who simply could run fast and was big? I actually think the coaching staff saw something more in him than that. They were wrong and admitted their mistake by cutting McCune and signing him to the practice squad, but I doubt they drafted him simply on the basis of his size and speed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they saw him with his shirt off and that's why they took him.

But at the same time many teams (and fans) make the mistake of falling in love with players that look the part, but maybe aren't as impressive on the field.

McCune needs work. Probably more work than the coaches thought he would need. He's raw and and that was the book on him coming out of college, but I think alot of fans looked past that and the only thing they saw was his physical attributes and figured this guy has got to be a baller.

The main thing with him right now is his mental game isn't anywhere near his physical game, but once it catches up he could be a quality player.

backrow · 09-05-2005, 02:52 PM

I wasn't surprised with any of them. No starters amongst the cuts. No starters re-signed to the PS. I abstained from the vote since "No surprises" was not a choice.

jermus22 · 09-05-2005, 03:23 PM

Not terribly surprised by all the cuts, just disappointed that some of them weren't eligible for the PS. I picked Warner since it would seem to make more sense having a 5th DE instead of a 5th DT. I'm still not sure why we kept Killings and Boschetti, but at least we have Aki Jones on the PS. Sheesh, we have six DTs when you count the PS and only four DEs, one of whom is injury prone. :confused: Maybe Chris Clemons will spend some time as a pass-rushing end like Lavar.

AnonEmouse · 09-05-2005, 05:23 PM

Or filling in on 3rd down at LB when Arrington lines up on the line?

The only surprise, if you can call it that, for me is Farris. Whilst he's not exactly lit things up, I consider him a better option than Brown at WR. Brown is on the roster as KR not as a WR. I think any more injuries at WR (i.e. Jacobs) and we'll be scouting around for depth again.

uhohjimoh · 09-05-2005, 05:42 PM

Garnell, he did an ok job last year , and im suprised with all the injuries we had to our dbs last year we didnt keep more around as insurance..plus in the vikings game he did a pretty good job against moss.

sigh....another year withe ade...

That Guy · 09-05-2005, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

For me it was Warner. I thought he was a very bright spot last season on our defense, and I thought he was really an up and coming player. Someone must be better than him, though, so thats always good news.

I thought he was up and coming too, till i looked and saw that warner was 30 and has been in the league for 8 seasons!!! (with a grand total of 17 tackles).
I'm guessing they chose evans over him because evans is a better tackler and 4 years younger.

uhohjimoh · 09-05-2005, 05:51 PM

and cheaper maybe??

View Poll Results: Which cut surprised you the most?
Mark Wilson	5	5.32%
Kevin Dyson	6	6.38%
Jimmy Farris	11	11.70%
Robert McCune	29	30.85%
Garnell Wilds	21	22.34%
Ron Warner	20	21.28%
other	2	2.13%
Voters: 94. You may not vote on this poll

09-04-2005, 05:51 PM	#16
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Most surprising cut? McCune was definitely overhyped because of his impressive appearance, but then again that was the book on him coming out of college. The experts said he was a workout warrior and somebody would fall in love with that aspect and take him.

09-04-2005, 06:23 PM	#17
BossHog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 665	Re: Most surprising cut? Ok. Glad to see that the coaches saw that Groom was keeper. I'm cool with Keasey making the squad too because he has good size, 6' 0" 236lbs, speed, heart, and is supposedly picking up the schemes well (also, on Madden he'll have the blonde dreads hanging out the back of his helmet). Wilds blew some assignments big time in the preseason closer so it's understood why his leash was so short. I'm still unsatisfied with our DEs. Greg Williams may be too, but he will work with the talent we already have. None of these guys have the pass rushing skills and moves of a premier DE and that includes Arrington. That's the reason L.A. is used as a DE on 'passing downs' and equally the reason he's not effective at it. The 3-3-5 formation suits our players' strengths more. Maybe the previously injury riddled Nic Clemons will live up to his #90 jersey (I nearly torched mine when Kenard Lang left to go play for his old college coach who by the way is out of the league(?)

09-04-2005, 07:12 PM	#19
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Most surprising cut? Lang has actually dropped some weight and converted to LB.

09-04-2005, 07:37 PM	#20
wamo Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dallastown, Pa. (I know, I know !) Posts: 14	Re: Most surprising cut? I think the most surprising cut was Garnell Wilds. I mean what has Ade Jimoh done to keep dodging the bullet? Is everyone sure that Ade Jimoh and Rufus Brown are not the same person?

09-04-2005, 10:37 PM	#22
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Re: Most surprising cut? For me it was Warner. I thought he was a very bright spot last season on our defense, and I thought he was really an up and coming player. Someone must be better than him, though, so thats always good news. __________________ #21

09-05-2005, 02:52 PM	#25
backrow The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 36.28 x 76.22 Age: 73 Posts: 1,812	Re: Most surprising cut? I wasn't surprised with any of them. No starters amongst the cuts. No starters re-signed to the PS. I abstained from the vote since "No surprises" was not a choice. __________________ '37, '42, '83, '88, '92. Championship!

09-05-2005, 03:23 PM	#26
jermus22 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Frankfort, KY Age: 43 Posts: 336	Re: Most surprising cut? Not terribly surprised by all the cuts, just disappointed that some of them weren't eligible for the PS. I picked Warner since it would seem to make more sense having a 5th DE instead of a 5th DT. I'm still not sure why we kept Killings and Boschetti, but at least we have Aki Jones on the PS. Sheesh, we have six DTs when you count the PS and only four DEs, one of whom is injury prone. :confused: Maybe Chris Clemons will spend some time as a pass-rushing end like Lavar. __________________ Win it in the trenches.

09-05-2005, 05:23 PM	#27
AnonEmouse Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 59 Posts: 2,646	Re: Most surprising cut? Or filling in on 3rd down at LB when Arrington lines up on the line? The only surprise, if you can call it that, for me is Farris. Whilst he's not exactly lit things up, I consider him a better option than Brown at WR. Brown is on the roster as KR not as a WR. I think any more injuries at WR (i.e. Jacobs) and we'll be scouting around for depth again.

09-05-2005, 05:42 PM	#28
uhohjimoh Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 41	Re: Most surprising cut? Garnell, he did an ok job last year , and im suprised with all the injuries we had to our dbs last year we didnt keep more around as insurance..plus in the vikings game he did a pretty good job against moss. sigh....another year withe ade...

09-05-2005, 05:51 PM	#30
uhohjimoh Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 41	and cheaper maybe??

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