One Night Only: Offensive Packers-Redskins Game Review, Mythbusters Edition

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Tiny12

Would I be wrong in suggesting that the time to let Cousins play is getting closer?

Yes.

[The Goat]

If you put much stock in GTripp's analysis, and I do, it sounds like the best short term fix on offense is putting the right players on the field i.e. receiving targets who best create separation from defenders. I think Tripps a little harsh on Moss because that dude has shown as much ability to get open as anyone so far, it's pretty spot on otherwise. I don't ever notice Morgan getting wide open. He doesn't have the moves. But he is a gritty runner so as long as he's on the roster Morgan should be out go to guy on screen passes. Garçon isn't consistent, just as Tripp said.
So our base offense should include garçon, hankerson, Reid and mix in Helu more to mask passing downs. But it still begs the question why we aren't seeing bootlegs and roll outs.

Either way, coaching is a big issue, the biggest IMO. Why don't mike/Kyle recognize who can help RG the most by making plays? And why the reversion back to pre 2012 football? Now RG isn't even good enough for what you gave cousins to work with? C'mon.

[skinsfan69]

What I see is a QB that isn't good enough right now to run this type of offense. He needs a running game to be successful. Sorry but that scares me a little bit. We saw some of this last year... when teams knew we had to pass, we couldn't convert 3rd downs. Right now he needs to get help from the coaches, as others have said...get him on the move a bit more, spread out the field formation wise and run some quicker passes, run the no huddle...things he did well at Baylor. Not only does RG3 need to pick it up, but you too Kyle.

[Green Monk Machine]

I think we just need to dump the pistol and RO. It got is in this mix and isn't going to help Rob one bit. We have TE's, good receivers, and RB's. they must be the offense, not a guy coming off knee surgeries. Pound the ball, use these 2 te sets and go more traditional b/c rob is not physically dynamic anymore. That's all it is. If he can't run, he needs to stop RO, if he can't step in throws, he needs to be taken off the field. The season is underway and Kirk is more able. That will never happen though, not b/c it doesn't make sense but b/c Shanny/Rob are too hard headed. Shanny can never be wrong and he doesnt scold his son Off Cord. afterall the shanny plan has always been 2 part- get kyles career advanced and get Mike into HOF. theyve already gone all in despite any sort of longterm costs to fans and franchise before/after Rob. We do not win with the RO this year. Other teams can, b/c they protect their QB (and certainly don't send him downfield for a pass against the steelers, thanks Kyle).

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Green Monk Machine

I think we just need to dump the pistol and RO. It got is in this mix and isn't going to help Rob one bit. We have TE's, good receivers, and RB's. they must be the offense, not a guy coming off knee surgeries. Pound the ball, use these 2 te sets and go more traditional b/c rob is not physically dynamic anymore. That's all it is. If he can't run, he needs to stop RO, if he can't step in throws, he needs to be taken off the field. The season is underway and Kirk is more able. That will never happen though, not b/c it doesn't make sense but b/c Shanny/Rob are too hard headed. Shanny can never be wrong and he doesnt scold his son Off Cord. afterall the shanny plan has always been 2 part- get kyles career advanced and get Mike into HOF. theyve already gone all in despite any sort of longterm costs to fans and franchise before/after Rob. We do not win with the RO this year. Other teams can, b/c they protect their QB (and certainly don't send him downfield for a pass against the steelers, thanks Kyle).

How does dumping the pistol help? You have actually seen a lot more teams incorporate it, because it gives qbs a split second more time to read the defenses.
As for the RO I think all the RO teams wanted to get a feel for how the refs were going to call it and how defenses were going to adjust.

No matter what this week the offense needs to come out on track.

[firstdown]

So what your saying is teams are not affraid of RGII's arm unless he is able to run which I agree. He is not a pocket passer and needs his legs to be affective.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So what your saying is teams are not affraid of RGII's arm unless he is able to run which I agree. He is not a pocket passer and needs his legs to be affective.

Nobody could function as an effective pocket passer behind this line. Griffin threw plenty of accurate intermediate to deep passes from the pocket last year. This notion that he cannot become excellent in the pocket is bunk. That said, with his lack of protection, he better start using his legs to extend plays, or this will be a very long season.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I wasn't unhappy with the offensive approach against Green Bay like I was against Philadelphia, but it does strike me as similar to the plan when Grossman was our quarterback in 2011. It's very pass-centric, and we probably don't have the passing game to put that much of our hopes and dreams on it.

We ran the ball much better against GB than against Philly, but we didn't stick with it, part because of the score, part because I think that's a Kyle tendency.

More diversity in the offense cannot hurt, but some of that has to fall on the defense to keep us in the game a little longer.

GB pretty much stuffed the run in the 1st half giving up 52 yards which at first sounds not too bad. Problem is 32 of those yards cam on one play where we didn't score. Take that away and we had 20 yrds rushing at 2.85 per play.

[Chico23231]

So its Santana and Josh Morgan killing the team? ummm no. I would agree to an extent that the coaching staff is not doing a very good job with the offense.

RG3 throwing mechanics are not right, your not watching if you dont see it. His accuracy stat is most tell'ing and this has nothing to do with Moss, Morgan. He is missing bad on some throws. Some high, some timing and touch, and some just plain long. Sometime he stands tall and delievers the ball in the face of pressure, sometimes he gets happy feet and doesnt. He's inconsistent. The thing is, it all can be fixed.......if he is truely healthy. If he knee is not, he will continue to struggle.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's probably less debunking than offering an alternative explanation. I was hard on the myth-creators where it was warranted, because a lot of the myths were started by people who should know better.

I wouldn't expect anyone to be less skeptical of my explanations themselves, but people know that I've gone through the game in a way that many haven't, so there's where the credibility comes from.

What does that even mean?

[skinsguy]

Just a few issues here. If RGIII's teams suck that badly, why is it that they were quite successful last year? Doesn't make sense to me. Could they be better? Absolutely! But I don't think they suck. I DO think Fred Davis is very underwhelming right now, but I've seen great improvement with Hankerson, Morgan is a beast with fighting for more yards, and Garcon looks to be quite explosive.

As far as RGIII goes, I think he's playing very attentively to his knee injury. I think it's kind of a form of "shell shock". Griffin is healthy, physically. He's healthy enough and probably fast enough to be as effective as he was last year, but he's playing scared. Many of the passes that have been off from Robert has been due to him throwing off his back foot. Yes, I know that all the great QBs, including Griffin, have been able to complete great passes despite bad mechanics, but Griffin has been doing this quite a bit in the last two games. I think it's coming down to the fact that Griffin is still trying to get back into game speed mode, and often when a QB is still trying to adjust, you're going to see him throwing off his back foot because he's trying to get the ball out quicker. And let's not down play this, the guy has come back from a very, very, serious knee injury. Only eight months ago at that! So, in a way, I can't blame Griffin for being a little cautious with his knee.

I also can't blame the coaches for wanting to protect Robert as much as they can in the early going. I can't say for sure if Robert is actually reading the defense in the read option (when they do run it) or if the tosses to Morris are strictly designed no matter what. But I have noticed times when Griffin would have taken off and ran - especially when there was a running lane, and he didn't. Now of course, that's part of what we complained about last season - was that he needs to learn to not run so much, so I guess we can't complain out of both sides of our mouths. Either let him run or let him be quarterback first and running back as very last option.

Finally, The blame is spread across everything. Those who are advocating sitting Griffin either have not been watching the games, or just those knee-jerk reaction type of people who have tunnel vision to the quarterback and disregard everything else. Griffin is not going to be in 2012 in the early going, but he has to be out there to get back to his 2012 form. He's not going to fully recover, physically & mentally, until he's out there enough to trust his surgery, trust himself, and to trust his protection. It's just going to take time. Two full games after eight months removed from a serious knee injury, and we're talking about sitting Griffin? He's healed, but he's gotta get out there and work through this, that is the only way he gets out of this.

Let's remember, our secondary is going to go through some major growing pains. They are young, and they are showing us they are rookies. They will improve, but it's going to take time. They had to face this uptempo offense that nobody knew anything about, then they had to face Aaron Rodgers. Next week, they have to face Mathew Stafford and Megatron? These cats are getting baptized by fire, man. But, in the long run, this will help them. I think we will have a very strong secondary, but it's going to take time.

I hate the this season has started out the way it has, but I don't think there is need for panic just yet. I'll start to sweat a little more if the 'skins drop one to the Lions, but this is a very talented Redskins team. I think Mike Shanahan has done a great job turning this organization around. We 'skins fans are a very fickled bunch and often look at the glass as being half empty, because we're used to failure. Some expect it, and even some of us hope for it just so we can complain. But, I'm not going to complain just yet. I understand how much this injury would effect not just Griffin, but the entire team. He is the leader out there, and if he's not so sure of himself, then the rest of the team is going to pick up on that. A win against the Lions and the Raiders puts the 'skins into a good situation and erases our doubts and fears.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Nobody could function as an effective pocket passer behind this line. Griffin threw plenty of accurate intermediate to deep passes from the pocket last year. This notion that he cannot become excellent in the pocket is bunk. That said, with his lack of protection, he better start using his legs to extend plays, or this will be a very long season.

Well if you look at RGII"S sacks 4 and hits 12 there are plent of other QB's hit and sacked about the same with much better numbers. I don't buy into the O line is to blame and the number don't support it either.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What does that even mean?

Obviously, GT watched the game while hanging upside down with a looking glass in one hand, and a bottle of scotch in the other. Thus giving him a perspective that is undoubtedly clearer than others sitting in a comfortable chair.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Obviously, GT watched the game while hanging upside down with a looking glass in one hand, and a bottle of scotch in the other. Thus giving him a perspective that is undoubtedly clearer than others sitting in a comfortable chair.

Well in that case, Gtripp and I should share.....hold on, Tripp what kinda Scotch do you drink?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Obviously, GT watched the game while hanging upside down with a looking glass in one hand, and a bottle of scotch in the other. Thus giving him a perspective that is undoubtedly clearer than others sitting in a comfortable chair.

I always knew he was an alcoholic bat.