Victim Disarmament Zones and Ideas to Prevent Mass Shootings

[That Guy]

the problem is you don't have background checks. just go to a gun show.

and the ATF is completely neutered. they can't force gun shops to keep track of who they've sold to, so the 6% of bad shops that sell the majority of guns found in street crime are allow to stay open and keep selling.


there's already multiple threads on this stuff, but the simple truth is if guns are easy to get and you're planning on killing people, the gun charge isn't going to dissuade you all that much.

[mlmpetert]

@ Chico - sure, in an idealistic dream world we could have people see what we want them to see and walk in the shoes we prescribe them. They would have to understand, because... well..., they would have to.

@ ThatGuy - I mean, because background checks on private sales would have stopped most,... or.. some,....um.. well,.... maybe one.. mass murder, right? Right? Wait.... omg, it wouldn't have made a difference at all. At all????? Background checks ARE (or are not????) the problem? Wait....

My bad, my question/thread was poorly worded.

What im trying to say is that guns, even the scary looking ones, are here to stay. You may think that's a great thing. You may think that's a horrible thing. But if you think that major gun legislation restricting gun ownership is going to happen across the country within the next 20-40 years you got another thing coming, imho. I just don't see it happening (if you do id love to hear your views why).

So what I am asking is that, in consideration to the world we live in with 300+ million guns in our country (regardless of how you feel about that), and gun rights likely here to stay (regardless of how you feel about that) how do you prevent mass killings?

Chico - would moving nuts and gun nuts next to each other help with the reduction of mass slayings, or just with illustration to your personal ideals?

Thatguy - would background checks imposed on individuals help with reducing mass killings, or would it just suppress the poor/those most needing of defensive protection from owning guns? Do you have any legit reasons to back that up or just idealist opinion?

You guys are both smart and thoughtful guys. Outside of major (and unlikely) gun control what other things do you think we could do to reduce gun violence, and in particular mass killings?

Im just trying to say that guns are here to stay; they are part of the world we live in. So how do we live in a world with guns?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

@ Chico - sure, in an idealistic dream world we could have people see what we want them to see and walk in the shoes we prescribe them. They would have to understand, because... well..., they would have to.

@ ThatGuy - I mean, because background checks on private sales would have stopped most,... or.. some,....um.. well,.... maybe one.. mass murder, right? Right? Wait.... omg, it wouldn't have made a difference at all. At all????? Background checks ARE (or are not????) the problem? Wait....

My bad, my question/thread was poorly worded.

What im trying to say is that guns, even the scary looking ones, are here to stay. You may think that's a great thing. You may think that's a horrible thing. But if you think that major gun legislation restricting gun ownership is going to happen across the country within the next 20-40 years you got another thing coming, imho. I just don't see it happening (if you do id love to hear your views why).

So what I am asking is that, in consideration to the world we live in with 300+ million guns in our country (regardless of how you feel about that), and gun rights likely here to stay (regardless of how you feel about that) how do you prevent mass killings?

Chico - would moving nuts and gun nuts next to each other help with the reduction of mass slayings, or just with illustration to your personal ideals?

Thatguy - would background checks imposed on individuals help with reducing mass killings, or would it just suppress the poor/those most needing of defensive protection from owning guns? Do you have any legit reasons to back that up or just idealist opinion?

You guys are both smart and thoughtful guys. Outside of major (and unlikely) gun control what other things do you think we could do to reduce gun violence, and in particular mass killings?

Im just trying to say that guns are here to stay; they are part of the world we live in. So how do we live in a world with guns?

My comment is purely for perspective. We as a country and people seriously lack it. We are so tunnel-visioned over emotional issues and we cant seperate the logical layers of these subjects. Its quite pathetic imo. We lack the ability to stand in others shoes and understand these are complex issues. There is no black and white and "only one way is the right way" to solve a problem in our society. People rather not see from the other side because they a) lack effort or b) they cant handle it mentally. Its easier just to pick a side and sound like an dumbass; to not want to understand the other side of an issue is plain ignorance.

So I put it the easiest way to understand, in order to support something you need to live with it everyday. You and your family live side by side with a diagnoised mentally ill person who is armed 24/7. Not just you but your community as well. He's at the school picking up kids, up at the local bar drinking, or at the park. As long as you can live with it, I can respect it.