Redskins Lions postgame

[skinsfaninok]

I don't understand the change in off either, we are now a pass first team

[Gmanc711]

I put too early to tell either way, but thats only because the rest of the NFC East doesn't seem to be very good (although Dallas is clearly the best right now).

My expectations for this team are now about zero; so we'll see. Not giving up on them, but don't really have high hopes either.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I agree in a tight game, and Morris was clearly on his game why would you abandon the running game in the second half? We weren't in a position where we were coming behind from 20+ points. We were in the game all day and Morris was so close on a few of his runs to get big yardage.

On his 30 yard TD I could see where his speed and burst has improved over last year.

I had said that it would take III till the Oak game to get his game going and honestly yesterday we saw him take huge steps forward from week 1-2-3.

The defense once again killed us. There is out biggest problem, that and loffensive play calling.

BTW no way we go 0-16. Who ever the guys are that are saying that well we just are not that bad. Not even close two plays yesterday were the difference in winning and losing. Last year we were making them every game in the last seven and this year well... Not so much.

Exactly. Even at 0-3, maybe it's being stubborn, but I don't see this team as a 10, 11, 12 or more loss team. This team isn't as bad as Shanahan's first two Redskins teams that lost 10 and 11 games. Unless we're hit with some crippling injuries, we'll land in the .500 neighborhood. The defense simply cannot continue to be THIS bad. Amerson will improve, Rambo should improve some. Jenkins coming back will help. We've been as unlucky (aside from Hall's two TD) as a team could be so far on both sides of the ball.

Unlike the Giants who got worse and old at many key positions (RB-worse, OL-old, DL-old, LB/secondary-worse) we have potential for this not to be a lost season but it has to be with a win in Oakland and a win after the by at Dallas.

[skinsfan69]

And can someone tell Fletcher to stop showboating after he makes a routine tackle? Dude your defense is the worst in NFL history, just go back to the huddle and get ready for the next play.

[skinsfaninok]

this is the prime example of how much PS really doesn't reflect anything

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And can someone tell Fletcher to stop showboating after he makes a routine tackle? Dude your defense is the worst in NFL history, just go back to the huddle and get ready for the next play.

and what's odd is he's like 38! Dude u have made those tackles thousands of times

[firstdown]

RGIII after the game.

“It’s the rule. It can be a sucky rule, but it’s still one of the NFL rules, and they said it’s a fumble. So, it’s unfortunate, and I’ve just got to make sure if I dive forward, hold onto the ball. … It was really unfortunate that we lost the game on two calls, two judgment calls.”

Hey, dumb ass. Its not a judgement call its a rule and you fumbled the ball. Maybe if you spent more time reading the rules then doing every interview to talk about yourself you would have known.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Show me a QB in the NFL who is infallible. 19 games into his pro career he's gonna have stinkers and dumb plays. We've all seen Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc. make mistakes, I'm not gonna kill him for those until they become a pattern.

I wonder if in 4 weeks we will still be talking about him not being 'a threat to run'. He showed pretty good mobility and ability yesterday. He's not going to beat every defender to the corner, in the NFL nobody will, but he will beat most. If defenses keep playing man to man, he will be able to get those 20 yard chunks when he breaks contain. If that forces them into playing zone, all the better for our offense.

If you can't see progress in his game from week one to yesterday, you simply aren't watching.

Sorry but what my eyes tell me isn't right. He got ran down from behind by a DE's a couple times, he threw behind guys, he threw high, low, and a terrible pick...then he makes some great throws, especially the one to Robinson. Like everyone else, he needs to play better, but he's getting too much blame, just like last year, he was getting too much credit.

[Monkeydad]

D played significantly better this week. If the offense had scored more than 1 TD, we would have won.

After the Oakland game, we'll be getting a fresh Jarviis Jenkins and Rob Jackson back...HUGE additions.

I thought Hall did a good job on Calvin Johnson, who only caught 7 of the 13 balls thrown his way. Amerson is improving a lot and had some nice pass breakups.

Safety is still a problem, but I prefer Josh Wilson back there to Biggers or Doughty. If Hall wasn't on CJ this week, we may have seen him at FS. That's something I'd love to see, he'd be a lock for a pick every game if his job is to attack the ball in the air rather than playing one-on-one.

The single play that killed us was Aldrick Robinson's near-TD. That would have locked up the game, despite it being only a 4-point lead. We lost all momentum on that one.

Griffin is improving every week. He had several nice runs and is getting down or out-of-bounds. He doesn't look like he wants to or CAN slide feet first though. That fumble would not have been a fumble by rule if he had done a proper feet-first slide.

However, despite a good game despite 2 miscues (fumble and the ugly INT), Griffin SHOULD NOT BE THROWING THE BALL 50 TIMES, especially in a close game that we were never out of! Maybe they're intentionally suppressing the run game plan to develop Griffin as a pocket passer while he shakes off the rust? It would benefit him and the team long-term, but short-term it will be tough for fans to watch.

I really believe we will see a lot more success on both sides of the ball after the bye week. Griffin will have 4 games in, our defense will get its reinforcements and hopefully the rookies Amerson and Rambo will be catching up to the speed of the pro game.

Griffin is improving every week. We need to ride this out. If we bench him, we'll do harm to the team and his relationship to it that we can never fix. He's our franchise and we need to allow him to get back to what we all know he can, and again will be.

He's physically fine. He has some issues with mechanics, timing and maybe even game speed. Remember, this is only his second-year. He's already done more in his short career than a lot of QBs drafted do in their entire career. If we had waited until Week 6 to bring him back, we'd probably have to suffer through the exact same transition back into the game, only lasting a month later into the season. It's best that we started him Week 1 and get the whole team in synch with him as early in the season as we can.

Besides, we're still not out of the race for our division. Dallas has 2 wins but they are Dallas. They'll collapse like they do every year. Philly has been figured out and Michael Vick is limping by the end of every game. He won't last much longer. The Giants are a bigger mess than us. We're 2 games back in a division that is still anybody's this year.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I completely agree. My remarks were directed at how one becomes a HC. Whether or not one then is successful as a HC is a different story.

I see you're point. It's funny, but all the times a lot of us complained at how inept the offenses seemed to be under Gibbs 2.0, the defense was always solid and the 'skins always seemed to be in every game until the last little bit. You knew if the 'skins lost, it wasn't going to be an easy win for their opponents. Those opponents would limp out of the game showing a lot of respect for our scrappy teams. We would at least have some pride of knowing that the 'skins "fought their guts out". Right now, our opponents come out of these games laughing at the Redskins. Calvin Johnson: "like taking candy from a baby!" Just burns me up.

But, I guess we have to be realistic. The cap penalty has done it's job in hurting the progress of this team being rebuilt - namely the defense. At least the 'skins were able to bring in a good group of guys on offense before the penalty. But, we're seeing the result of the penalty on defense.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

But, I guess we have to be realistic. The cap penalty has done it's job in hurting the progress of this team being rebuilt - namely the defense. At least the 'skins were able to bring in a good group of guys on offense before the penalty. But, we're seeing the result of the penalty on defense.

I thought last year, we had miraculously worked around it. A $36 million cap hit is massive and we've done much better than Mara probably had envisioned, but you know, look at our big holes right now...they WOULD have been addressed with that money. I do believe we're now seeing the impact of it.

Next year, we're going shopping big time and we're in great shape considering the penalty. Allen and Shanahan handled it the best they could have. They tried addressing the holes through the draft that we should have been signing the top FAs to. It's all they could do.

[Chico23231]

RG3 is the 20th rated passer folks. 20th. But yet people spewing that garbage he is fine. 20th rated passer is not fine. Not at all. Dont bring that garbage again this week.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I thought last year, we had miraculously worked around it. A $36 million cap hit is massive and we've done much better than Mara probably had envisioned, but you know, look at our big holes right now...they WOULD have been addressed with that money. I do believe we're now seeing the impact of it.

Next year, we're going shopping big time and we're in great shape considering the penalty. Allen and Shanahan handled it the best they could have. They tried addressing the holes through the draft that we should have been signing the top FAs to. It's all they could do.

I agree. I think the FO did the best they could to counter the $36 million. I think Mara is seeing what goes around comes around, and his team deserves what is being handed to them. I feel bad for Coach John Coughlin though. You know his thoughts were with his brother and not in the game. And I respect him a great deal, but the Giants are in horrible shape. As bad as 0-3 feels right now, and as bad as the defense has performed, I do find it very hard to believe that this team won't recover and be "in it" at least until the last part of the season. We still do have a lot to look forward to with this team, it's just pretty rough right now.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

RG3 is the 20th rated passer folks. 20th. But yet people spewing that garbage he is fine. 20th rated passer is not fine. Not at all. Dont bring that garbage again this week.

Receivers dropping passes has a lot to do with that.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry but what my eyes tell me isn't right. He got ran down from behind by a DE's a couple times, he threw behind guys, he threw high, low, and a terrible pick...then he makes some great throws, especially the one to Robinson. Like everyone else, he needs to play better, but he's getting too much blame, just like last year, he was getting too much credit.

Not to go too much football nerd on you but football is a game of angles as much as it is about speed.. He wasn't out run to any corner, he wasn't able to get the angle. When he was caught from behind, again, if a DE is already running at a flat angle towards him and he's just getting started from a flat foot position, even at full health he's getting caught from behind. Nobody ran him down in the open field nor did they catch him from behind on his designed runs/boots. His accuracy was spotty, no doubt and he needs to improve on that and overall he needs to get better.