Redskins Lions postgame

[scowan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

In the 45 years that I have played/followed football, it has always been true that if you were not down by contact, the ground could cause a fumble. It's all about whether someone is down by contact or not.

Its always been really simple to me. In the NFL you have to be touched to be down, so if you are in the process of getting tackled and le'ts say your elbow carrying the ball hits the ground causing you to fumble, then the ground caused it. If you slide, you are obviously giving yourself up. If you are diving forward like RG3 did, you are reaching for yardage, then anything can happen and Robert was not touched diving, so he could have rolled futher down the field or anything until he gets actually touched.

Bottom line, the Redskins this year have had huge mental mistakes on the rules. Skip practice one day and study the rules. Niles Paul now plays special teams and only specail teams, but yet he jumped for an onside kick, well before the 10 yards and caught it. If you play special teams, that should be the first rule you learn after, don't block in the back (which they seem to do on every kickoff or punt BTW).

Come guys, you make too much money to make simple mental rules mistakes, all the time.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well bringing in a Peyton Manning and having him throw to Welker is not a good example to use. My point was this, the bad has outweighed the good when it's come to free agency. Especially around here. Would you agree with that? We need to sign some guys, I just don't want to see what we saw in 2000 just cause we have cap space.

Um, yes, it's a very good example to use, lol!

Let me repeat. The cap penalty did more than just handicap the 'skins ability to sign free agents. It prevented the 'skins from being able to dump players that would have cost the team a certain amount of cap hit to dump. Instead, the team has to keep those players and play them. So, the hope is, the players will learn through continuity and improve on their play - how's that working out so far?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I don't really disagree with the fumble call yesterday - I felt it was a fumble right away. However, I DO think they need to address this rule and make it absolutely clear as to when the ground can cause a fumble and when it can't. I know at one point, the ground could absolutely not cause a fumble, and somewhere down the line that kind of changed. However, I don't think a player diving forward should ever be considered giving himself up. That would open up a huge can of worms.

The rule has not changed if your getting tackled or sliding feet first your considered down when you hit the ground. There is no grey area. RGIII went down head first and by the rule could have gotten back up and run the ball if not touched. No one would even make this an issue if it was a running back who tripped and when hitting the groung fumbled the ball.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Relax, he knows the rule, he just doesn't agree with it.

Doesn't agree because it was his mistake.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Um, yes, it's a very good example to use, lol!

Let me repeat. The cap penalty did more than just handicap the 'skins ability to sign free agents. It prevented the 'skins from being able to dump players that would have cost the team a certain amount of cap hit to dump. Instead, the team has to keep those players and play them. So, the hope is, the players will learn through continuity and improve on their play - how's that working out so far?

Like who? D. Hall? He's playing for like a million dollars this year. Pretty good rate for a starting corner...and say what you want about D. Hall, but he's our best corner, he played a good game yesterday. Now Josh Wilson is another story...and btw...he was a free agent! How would you grade that signing? Did it pan out? I'd say probably not.

[12thMan]

Funny how people hate to give D.Hall props around here.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Funny how people hate to give D.Hall props around here.

I know, it's pretty ridiculous. If you go back and actually watch the game when he was in man coverage against Johnson yesterday. He did really well, some of Calvin's bigger catchers were when they lined him in the slot and Josh Wilson ended up covering him.

[12thMan]

He played Calvin about as well you can play that guy. The so so reaction to Hall's performance is duly noted though.

[donofriose]

Hall has been one of the better corners in the NFL up to now. 2 defensive touchdowns already. He has also been pretty consistent in coverage so far.
I've never thought he was worth what the Redskins used to pay him, but right now he is a pretty good value for the 1 or 2 million he is getting paid.

[skinsfaninok]

problem is WILSON, and the safeties

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The snap that hit Logan Paulsen is a better example of the kind of crap that Griffin is dealing with than the fact that he had to save the play.

Also: terrible game management at the end of the game, a Shanahan staple. Could have kicked a FG to cut the lead to seven with 2:20 to play, with plenty of time to get the ball back. Instead, ran about six more plays, got down to the five yard line with 1:40 to go, and THEN kicked anyway when the Redskins absolutely needed a TD. Just so stupid. Only thing missing from that sequence was a wasted timeout because we couldn't get a play in in-time.

Pickin our battles.

This.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Like who? D. Hall? He's playing for like a million dollars this year. Pretty good rate for a starting corner...and say what you want about D. Hall, but he's our best corner, he played a good game yesterday. Now Josh Wilson is another story...and btw...he was a free agent! How would you grade that signing? Did it pan out? I'd say probably not.

Is that a complement?LOL

I've always like D Hall. He has his moments but I feel he comes to every game giving 100%. That's all you can ask from anyone.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Funny how people hate to give D.Hall props around here.

Not me I dig the guy, hes done waaaaay more positive than bad.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This.

Also: terrible game management at the end of the game, a Shanahan staple. Could have kicked a FG to cut the lead to seven with 2:20 to play, with plenty of time to get the ball back. Instead, ran about six more plays, got down to the five yard line with 1:40 to go, and THEN kicked anyway when the Redskins absolutely needed a TD. Just so stupid. Only thing missing from that sequence was a wasted timeout because we couldn't get a play in in-time.


But if we made a TD in those six plays we would have then only needed a FG to tie the game. Also you have to remember our kicker is also hurt.

[SFREDSKIN]

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