Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

This is one of the dumbest things I've seen posted on this forum, and that includes the drunk thread.

Tell me how Oakland has been turned around? Jacksonville? Didn't Mike Holmgren get run out of town in Cleveland b/c he didn't do sh*t? Arizona after Kurt Warner left?

Were any of those teams blindsided by a $36 million dollar cap penalty or had their QB taken out with a season ending injury during their playoff run?

None of us have anything to cheer about lately and everyone is entitled to complain about it. But this bitter biased bullsh*t you spew every day is ridiculous.

Shhh... the shit he spews actually keeps my laughing. Dont make him stop.

[skinsfaninok]

Actually what GOAT said isn't really all that crazy, Arizona went from a laughing stock to a SB contender after just a few good drafts and FA pick ups.

TB and NO did as well.

ALL 3 of those teams are considered 3 OF THE WORST TEAMS IN NFL HISTORY

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

This is one of the dumbest things I've seen posted on this forum, and that includes the drunk thread.

Tell me how Oakland has been turned around? Jacksonville? Didn't Mike Holmgren get run out of town in Cleveland b/c he didn't do sh*t? Arizona after Kurt Warner left?

Were any of those teams blindsided by a $36 million dollar cap penalty or had their QB taken out with a season ending injury during their playoff run?

None of us have anything to cheer about lately and everyone is entitled to complain about it. But this bitter biased bullsh*t you spew every day is ridiculous.

Oakland is two years in I believe and looking up, excellent defense and tons of cap room to work with after this season. Cleveland is a better team than the Redskins. Jax is Jax, I guess if that's who you want to keep company with there's no point in discussion.

On the other side of the ledger, you have myriad teams that have done it in three years roughly. Detroit best example IMO. Seattle is a good one like GTripp pointed out. Others have been pointed out as well.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Actually what GOAT said isn't really all that crazy, Arizona went from a laughing stock to a SB contender after just a few good drafts and FA pick ups.

TB and NO did as well.

ALL 3 of those teams are considered 3 OF THE WORST TEAMS IN NFL HISTORY

Yes, but with every team you can use for example. I can add another. It's different scenario's in every organization. We've had a lot of things happen here that are not the same in NO or TB, vice versa.

I think we are closer than a lot of people think we are. I see the will to win from our team, and RG3 is getting better every week. He looked a little shaken last game from all the pressure, but at least we know his legs are coming back.

I still think we need a Playmaker on defense or Offense. I feel we have a solid group of players, but we really lack a AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Ed Reed, or Graham. Even the Browns have Morgan who has become a force on the field.

Shanhan's image was to bring in a bunch of hard workers that will go till the end, and even though it's a good thing we have that dedication. It's tough to compare to pure athletic ability. Our fastest, and most athletic player is our QB and we gave up a lot to get him where other teams draft their playmaker.

Now that we are not getting a 1st rounder next year, I would hope we put money in to a big free agent.

I'll go out on a limb and say we are 5-5 going against San Francisco.

[skinsfaninok]

In today's league teams can become contenders over night, it just takes some smart personnel moves and $$.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Oakland is two years in I believe and looking up, excellent defense and tons of cap room to work with after this season. Cleveland is a better team than the Redskins. Jax is Jax, I guess if that's who you want to keep company with there's no point in discussion.

On the other side of the ledger, you have myriad teams that have done it in three years roughly. Detroit best example IMO. Seattle is a good one like GTripp pointed out. Others have been pointed out as well.

So you think any of those teams could overcome a $36 million dollar cap penalty and losing their starting QB to a season ending injury? If one of these two things had not happened, then I would agree with you. But I don't think any team can overcome both.

I'm sure with a better cap situation, we would have an improved o-line or secondary or better ILBs

[JoeRedskin]

The "Stupid Meter" always explodes when things are bad. Most of the same people were saying the same things last year before the run.

Honestly, I don't think such a run happens again this year. Something seems to be missing.

To assert, however, that teams can "turn things around" in two or three years is such a vague statement as to be pointless. Hey, we "turned things around" last year and won our division for the first time since '99. Neither Oakland nor Cleveland has turned anything around just yet. You want to say Cleveland is better than us? Maybe/Maybe not. Oakland? Pshaww. I think they are finally on the right track but have a lot further to go than us. Check back in 3 or 4 years and we can discuss if these traditionally horrific franchises have acheived sustained success and really turned the corner or if this is just their latest incarnation of false hope.

BTW - TBay only turned things around after Dungy built a team, left and let Gruden ride it to the SB - have they since sustained the turnaround? Most teams, however, don't break out of mediocrity in a couple years and sustain success. Most fall back to mediocrity.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Actually what GOAT said isn't really all that crazy, Arizona went from a laughing stock to a SB contender after just a few good drafts and FA pick ups.

TB and NO did as well.

ALL 3 of those teams are considered 3 OF THE WORST TEAMS IN NFL HISTORY

... and now two of the three are back in the throws of mediocrity and, in the case of TBay, a debacle that will only grow.

[skinsfaninok]

yeah but if your really looking to be "GREAT" for 10 plus years that just doesn't happen anymore, unless you have Brady or Manning. It's hard to be a legit contender for so many years

[Lotus]

The Saints turned things around and the reversal stuck (except for a hiccup last year). But they have Brees.

And then there is us, defending NFCE champs. Despite the many forks being stuck into us, we're not done yet.

[The Goat]

The irony is Mike has a team very similar today to what he took over four years ago i.e. very limited depth along the oline and several other positions, but enough starting talent we should be competing in every game. Talent isn't the issue. Coaching, throughout the week and especially on game day, is the problem. And I really don't think anyone has good intuition how we get better in that regard with Mike at HC, at least I haven't seen any good ideas here. It's all FUBAR because of intertwined family dynamics and frankly Mike hasn't put together a solid coaching structure since his days with Elway.

[Skinzman]

Most examples of teams turning around equate to finding a QB. NO got Drew Brees, Arizona got Kurt Warner, Detroit had their QB in Mathew Stafford, he was just always injured early in his career (went on for several seasons). Once he overcame those and was able to finish seasons, they started winning a fair amount. Even in TB, Freeman played pretty good for one year, but the ownership decided to blow it up during the uncapped year and had a lower payroll than most SEC teams that year.

Which always brings me back to the fact that we dodged a bullet with Gabbert. Who a large amount of people wanted here and cursed Shanny for trading down and grabbing Kerrigan. I can only imagine the get rid of Shanny threads right after that draft. RG3 is off so far this year, which is understandable at this point (injury, no offseason or preseason work). Lets face it, if he is on, we win against Detroit and Dallas. Still should have won against Detroit even with him not being 100%. If people think Detroit is a good team, then we cant be that far off. Which goes against what most people are saying.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Talent isn't the issue.

Uh no....it really is. Our line is Trent plus 4 guys who couldn't handle a DL built from scrubs.

Our WRs are missing something at the top and can't win battles consistently.

Our secondary is a problem.

Our LBs are a problem.

Now in each case (except Oline) we're talking about adding maybe one guy to steady the corps but we've been playing literally with a shoestring budget for two years now.

We're better at each spot with the 36 mil. We have a RT for sure and probably a new center. A Safety surely and at least one LB and CB

That's enough to change this team incalculably.

[diehardskin2982]

This team is not as bad as eveyone says. We won the divison championship last. The problem is this "sky is falling" media makes it seem that we are one step from total disaster.

We need a quality number 2 reciever, a solid safety, and a kick returner. The line is bad but they can be better they proved it last year. Confidence is low it reflects on the field.
Bring in Chris Rainey.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Uh no....it really is. Our line is Trent plus 4 guys who couldn't handle a DL built from scrubs.

Our WRs are missing something at the top and can't win battles consistently.

Our secondary is a problem.

Our LBs are a problem.

Now in each case (except Oline) we're talking about adding maybe one guy to steady the corps but we've been playing literally with a shoestring budget for two years now.

We're better at each spot with the 36 mil. We have a RT for sure and probably a new center. A Safety surely and at least one LB and CB

That's enough to change this team incalculably.

earlier I agreed with GOAT about the turn around with teams and didn't agree w u, Now I agree with u and not him on talent for this team lol.

Lack of talent is the issue folks, besides Garcon who else is a threat at WR?? Nobody. We r relying on a rookie TE to make plays. Morris is really our only good RB (HELU cant' block)

And our D has very limited talent, Riley, RK, Coefield and Hall are the only guys playing good this yr so far.