Skins Viks Postgame

[Counter-Tre]

I haven't seen guys roll over for Vikings like that since berserkers attacked the monastary on Noirmout island in 799 A.D. Haslett stinks!

[calia]

Just garbage all around coaching-wise. Our D has been horrible for years -- the entire time we've been a 3-4 defense. No excuses hold water at this point. The entire coaching staff on D has to be held accountable as none of the various moving parts has been working well. Perry Riley has actually regressed this season; the only consistent contributor has been D. Hall. Our D line has been atrocious -- they cannot generate any pass rush at all, and the run-stopping has been hit or miss (literally).

Special teams are a complete disaster -- last night's debacle was not quite as embarassing as the swinging gate, but by 8 year old son said, "Dad, what the heck was that?" I had no answers.

Playcalling was better this week than in the Broncos game, but I still take issue with it. Had Leslie Frasier not inexplicably saved our bacon by using two timeouts to stop the clock, I feel pretty confident we would have lost the game earlier and perhaps not gotten as close to the endzone.

One thing that truly baffles me: our points to yards ratio. We generate more yards for fewer points than any team I can think of. Sometime that happens with turnovers or special teams, but that wasn't true last night.

Skins: 433 yards, 27 points
Viks: 307 yards, 34 points

Against Dallas it was even worse (although our special team breakdowns are a big part of that):

Skins: 433 yards, 16 points
Pukes: 213 yards, 31 points

I think some of it comes down to bad coaching, and in particular bad playcalling at critical junctures -- the times in a game when points are there to be had. To be clear, execution plays a role here too -- even though RGIII had a pretty good game (numbers-wise, one of his best), he was still too locked on his first read (and we had open guys elsewhere), and a number of his passes unnecessarily required tough catches.

It's sad because we had some incredible individual efforts in those games. D. Hall held Dez Bryant to 5 catches, 26 yards. Romo threw for a paltry 170 yards. And we lose by 15 points. I would never have believed it.

Last night, we hold AP to 75 yards on 20 carries (18 of which came on one run). Holding him to less than 100 and less than 4 yards per carry should spell victory. Nope. Not these Redskins.

I am as depressed about the Redskins as I can recall -- mostly because after last season, I thought the team held so much promise. I figured the D would be better -- we didn't lose anyone but a Lorenzo Alexander, and we were getting Merriweather and Orakpo back and drafted some promising rookies. And we lost no one on offense with an offense that was strong last year. But this 3-6 feels a lot worse than last year's 3-6. By a mile.

Thank goodness we have 10 days before the Eagles game -- I need a break from this. And a drink.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by calia

Just garbage all around coaching-wise. Our D has been horrible for years -- the entire time we've been a 3-4 defense. No excuses hold water at this point. The entire coaching staff on D has to be held accountable as none of the various moving parts has been working well. Perry Riley has actually regressed this season; the only consistent contributor has been D. Hall. Our D line has been atrocious -- they cannot generate any pass rush at all, and the run-stopping has been hit or miss (literally).

Special teams are a complete disaster -- last night's debacle was not quite as embarassing as the swinging gate, but by 8 year old son said, "Dad, what the heck was that?" I had no answers.

Playcalling was better this week than in the Broncos game, but I still take issue with it. Had Leslie Frasier not inexplicably saved our bacon by using two timeouts to stop the clock, I feel pretty confident we would have lost the game earlier and perhaps not gotten as close to the endzone.

One thing that truly baffles me: our points to yards ratio. We generate more yards for fewer points than any team I can think of. Sometime that happens with turnovers or special teams, but that wasn't true last night.

Skins: 433 yards, 27 points
Viks: 307 yards, 34 points

Against Dallas it was even worse (although our special team breakdowns are a big part of that):

Skins: 433 yards, 16 points
Pukes: 213 yards, 31 points

I think some of it comes down to bad coaching, and in particular bad playcalling at critical junctures -- the times in a game when points are there to be had. To be clear, execution plays a role here too -- even though RGIII had a pretty good game (numbers-wise, one of his best), he was still too locked on his first read (and we had open guys elsewhere), and a number of his passes unnecessarily required tough catches.

It's sad because we had some incredible individual efforts in those games. D. Hall held Dez Bryant to 5 catches, 26 yards. Romo threw for a paltry 170 yards. And we lose by 15 points. I would never have believed it.

Last night, we hold AP to 75 yards on 20 carries (18 of which came on one run). Holding him to less than 100 and less than 4 yards per carry should spell victory. Nope. Not these Redskins.

I am as depressed about the Redskins as I can recall -- mostly because after last season, I thought the team held so much promise. I figured the D would be better -- we didn't lose anyone but a Lorenzo Alexander, and we were getting Merriweather and Orakpo back and drafted some promising rookies. And we lost no one on offense with an offense that was strong last year. But this 3-6 feels a lot worse than last year's 3-6. By a mile.

Thank goodness we have 10 days before the Eagles game -- I need a break from this. And a drink.

I just said the same basically, it's a joke that we lost to MIN last night, we don't deserve to win the east now not that we were anyway. Last year we had an excuse for 3-6, it was a Rookie QB, this yr no excuses we just suck plain and simple and I think MS is getting to the point of just being worn down by it all. Looking at him on the sidelines he just looks done, I would not be shocked to see him walk after the season.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Who do we have on special teams that really stand out?

I think we're seeing now the value of Lorenzo Alexander. And losing Crawford hurt too.

I thought Paul could ball? I thought we had the best depth in years? I see way too many peanalties on teams and I see our coverage teams amazingly poor. Crawford hurt, but we drafted guys with supposid skills like Thompson. I see a complete clusterfuck of a miscommunication last night, and another game where we had 2 blocked kicks. This drop off is unacceptable.

[GTripp0012]

This team is an $110 million operation by cap dollars. If you truly believe an additional $18 million makes this a playoff team, you may be a sucker.

[Bucket]

How our defense could flourish with a guy like Sean Lee in the middle. I really believe that. When was the last time Fletcher's name has been called in a game? Love the guy, but we need a playmaker in the most important position on defense.

[GTripp0012]

The special teams sucks because the Redskins don't value it when it comes time to evaluate players. Keith Burns isn't helping, but there's not enough that can be done in November to overcome the negligence this team shows towards special teams in March and April.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This team is an $110 million operation by cap dollars. If you truly believe an additional $18 million makes this a playoff team, you may be a sucker.

In this division? it would depend on money spent, but i think in the end, its a blessing in disguise.

[Bucket]

Also, those who want Kyles head for calling a fade on 4th down. It was a hot route that RG3 played. Not Kyle... Reed was open because his defender slipped. Would of been an easy TD if Griffin didn't lock in the hot read. Which is irony of course.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I thought Paul could ball? I thought we had the best depth in years? I see way too many peanalties on teams and I see our coverage teams amazingly poor. Crawford hurt, but we drafted guys with supposid skills like Thompson. I see a complete clusterfuck of a miscommunication last night, and another game where we had 2 blocked kicks. This drop off is unacceptable.

Thompson wasn't drafted to play teams though.

Danny Smith had kicks blocked too.

The coverage is what's really killed us, that's where Zo comes in. Plus the guy was a leader on the field. Losing him definitely had an impact.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Seriously?!?! The O-line, while not perfect was #5 in sacks allowed and the team is in the top 5 running the ball coming into last night.

So far the team has drafted almost an entire line (T. Williams, LeReibus, Gettis, Compton). Now development of those players can be discussed but using draft picks on O-linemen is about 15th on the list of what's wrong with this team.


As a poster before mentioned, these problems aren't new. These same problems have occurred since, honestly, Schottenheimer left. Those issues happened with Spurrier, Gibbs II, Zorn and Shanny. It's organizational. The issues stem from a cultural lack of accountability throughout the Redskins franchise.

Do they? Spurrier and Zorn couldnt coach for the most well oiled franchise. Gibbs 2 is not Gibbs 1, he had been really removed from football for a long time and absorbed with nascar. Which leaves Shanny. I do not want to get into that debate, but he was not setting the world on fire for several years in Denver and it is looking more and more like his best years are behind him. So I would argue that you could make the case that the "rite" guy could fix things. I mean Snyder has pretty much stopped his bologna and seems to be resided to the fact that he is the owner and football people should be in charge. He is not afraid to open the checkbook and the fanbase is loyal. Snyder is not Jerry Jones. We are not Jacksonville. The rite guy comes here and he could have the rest of the league by the balls.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Thompson wasn't drafted to play teams though.

Danny Smith had kicks blocked too.

The coverage is what's really killed us, that's where Zo comes in. Plus the guy was a leader on the field. Losing him definitely had an impact.

I just dont think the expectations should be multiple special teams breakdown each week. The penalty on teams have been turdble as well. I dont think Zo being here would solve much this year on teams.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I just dont think the expectations should be multiple special teams breakdown each week. The penalty on teams have been turdble as well. I dont think Zo being here would solve much this year on teams.

Is turdble like terrible and turd?
Edit: because that is a perfect word for it.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Do they? Spurrier and Zorn couldnt coach for the most well oiled franchise. Gibbs 2 is not Gibbs 1, he had been really removed from football for a long time and absorbed with nascar. Which leaves Shanny. I do not want to get into that debate, but he was not setting the world on fire for several years in Denver and it is looking more and more like his best years are behind him. So I would argue that you could make the case that the "rite" guy could fix things. I mean Snyder has pretty much stopped his bologna and seems to be resided to the fact that he is the owner and football people should be in charge. He is not afraid to open the checkbook and the fanbase is loyal. Snyder is not Jerry Jones. We are not Jacksonville. The rite guy comes here and he could have the rest of the league by the balls.

This is the key with the next coaching staff. I know the owner will always have input, but the next HC needs to come from the FO not the owner.

[calia]

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1040088]Thompson wasn't drafted to play teams though.

Danny Smith had kicks blocked too.

The coverage is what's really killed us, that's where Zo comes in. Plus the guy was a leader on the field. Losing him definitely had an impact.[/QUOTE]

I don't disgaree. But the loss of one player on D (a non-starting LB) when we were gaining back to starters in Orakpo and Merriweather shouldn't have resulted in the putrid excuse for a defense we now have. Bowen, Golston, and Jenkins are largely non-factors, and Cofield is a decent run stopper -- none gets within the same area code of opposing QBs. Now I realize a 3-4 is designed to get LBs to the QB, but our front three cannot collapse a pocket or even really push it back. I was watching some of the "highlights" (glutton for punishment), and Ponder and Cassel had all freaking day to throw; the opposite of RGIII's experience in the second half, and most of that pressure was up the middle (Montgomery and Lichtgensteiger have become liabilities).